Saturday, March 9, 2019

extra words from John the Baptist



Sunday, 2/3/19 Hello Brandon, I just got home from SS. When you read these 12 verses what does it remind you of?


6 And John saw and bore record of the fulness of my glory, and the fulness of John’s record is hereafter to be revealed.7 And he bore record, saying: I saw his glory, that he was in the beginning, before the world was;8 Therefore, in the beginning the Word was, for he was the Word, even the messenger of salvation—9 The light and the Redeemer of the world; the Spirit of truth, who came into the world, because the world was made by him, and in him was the life of men and the light of men.10 The worlds were made by him; men were made by him; all things were made by him, and through him, and of him.11 And I, John, bear record that I beheld his glory, as the glory of the Only Begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth, even the Spirit of truth, which came and dwelt in the flesh, and dwelt among us.12 And I, John, saw that he received not of the fulness at the first, but received grace for grace;13 And he received not of the fulness at first, but continued from grace to grace, until he received a fulness;14 And thus he was called the Son of God, because he received not of the fulness at the first.15 And I, John, bear record, and lo, the heavens were opened, and the Holy Ghost descended upon him in the form of a dove, and sat upon him, and there came a voice out of heaven saying: This is my beloved Son.16 And I, John, bear record that he received a fulness of the glory of the Father;17 And he received all power, both in heaven and on earth, and the glory of the Father was with him, for he dwelt in him.18 And it shall come to pass, that if you are faithful you shall receive the fulness of the record of John. @


? What did it remind you of? John 1? Yep! Guess who is speaking in John 1? Surprise! Not John the disciple but John the Baptist. @@@ Tuesday, 2/12/19 Hello Brandon, My eyes are doing their msg thing, monosodiumglutamate, so I can write better than I can see. We have a Mr. Prickles in my BOM class and Mr. Prickles in my EQ. RexC and HalD are their real names. My swedish accented convert friend, Bert, came and sat by me Friday and I said, Good class last night huh? He disagreed. He said he was so affected by the things that Rex said that he was shaking and praying to survive. He said he sat between Karye and I so he could feel protected when he saw Rex was attending. I told Bert that I had already processed the Rex stuff by vmail with janice and that I was basking in the sweetness of Lisa’s vulnerability through a couple of her stories and sharings. Bert shared his feelings of Rex’s comments seeming like personal attacks: 1- Even though baptized you have to repent of your sins one at a time. Baptism does not automatically cleanse you. 2- People go to the temple to check off a box. No one goes for any deeper reason. 3- It doesn’t matter how righteous you are, you will be tested to your bitterest end. The sinners have to pay and continue to pay the uttermost senine. The righteous will be tested and tested and will be no happier in this life than the wicked and addicted. 4- Love is a junk word! People, even church members just lump everything into that word. They have no clue of what it really means and to tell the truth, God does not love us, he is just trying to discipline us. A better word for love is knowledge. We are here to gain knowledge and experience, not experience love. 5- There is no sense in studying the lesson beforehand. I already know it better than everyone else and if I study it I am bored by the repetition in class. 6- Repeating the same story in the different gospels is a drag and boring as well. We were assigned Matt 4 & Luke 4,5 the week after we did John 1. What good is the repetition?@ I tried to reassure Bert in many ways. A- Rex was a psychotherapist who worked with drug addicts and divorce cases referred to him by the court. He is absolutely brilliant. He can quote scriptures better than anyone I know. He has a vocabulary that is extensive and his debates are convincing. B- He doesn’t wear temple garments. He said he has never been to the temple. He has no idea of what goes on there in real life. Those of us who love and enjoy the temple couldn’t convince him that it blesses us if we wanted to. C- He believes we are all addicted and all unrepentant. He believes we are fakes, hypocrites. No one can be motivated by love! Only by fear or duty. D- He comes to spread his dissatisfaction. He would rather we were all miserable. E- he sponsors many alcoholics in AA. Lisa made a good point when she said that those without the church are truly blessed by AA. Personally I believe that AA or personal therapy are necessary to overcome deep traumatic based addictions like mine. The regular church attendance and bishop interviews can’t meet the needs of those truly emotionally ill. HF has given us more than one avenue of help. @ So Janice and I glory in the level of discussion that takes place when Rex is gone. I was tempted to confront Rex but there was a delay and when Lisa called on me I withdrew my comment. On #5&6 above how many times do we repeat the sacrament prayers? Can’t repetition be a form of praise and worship? Also, what about God’s law of testimonies. He does not expect us to believe if there is only one! And lastly, each gospel writer was unique. Matthew quotes old testament prophets to convince the Jews. Luke doesn’t. He is a physician and travels with Paul, he is speaking to us, the gentiles. I really feel strongly about those 3 arguments, but I withdrew my hand and comments for fear that engaging Rex in conflict and often contention is just what he wants. (This is a conclusion we have come to after class when Rex was gone. Oppositional.) @@@Sunday, 2/17/19Good morning Brandon, Some things we seldom hear from the first presidency for example have you ever heard them ask us to fast and pray for a general authority? It happened once but with failure. BKP addressed it like this: I hope it is not presumptuous of me to place into the record of this conference, and therefore into the history of the Church, a note to complete the record of the last one.


In the last session of October conference, Elder A. Theodore Tuttle gave a touching and inspiring sermon on faith. He spoke from his heart, with scriptures in hand, without a prepared text. When he had concluded, President Hinckley, who conducted that session, said:


“I should perhaps be guilty of an indiscretion, but I think I will risk it and say that Brother Tuttle has been seriously ill and he needs our faith, the faith of which he has spoken. It will be appreciated if those who have listened to him across the Church would plead with our Father in Heaven, in the kind of faith which he has described, in his behalf” (in Conference Report, Oct. 1986, p. 93).


President Ezra Taft Benson, who was the concluding speaker, endorsed what President Hinckley had said and appealed himself for fasting and prayers of faith for the recovery of Brother Tuttle.


But Brother Tuttle did not recover. He died seven weeks later.


Now, lest there be one whose faith was shaken, believing prayers were not answered, or lest there be one who is puzzled that the prophet himself could plead for the entire Church to fast and pray for Brother Tuttle to live and yet he died, I will tell you of an experience.


I had intended to tell this at his funeral, but my feelings were too tender that day to speak of it.






How would you explain that Brandon? I just finished these two conferences. Elder Tuttle’s talk was so touching that I wanted to send it to my beleaguered sister Gayelinn. Gordon B Hinkley and President ETB plead with us to pray and fast for him. They loved him. As you read Elder Tuttle’s talk see if you don’t feel a warmth and reaching out? OCTOBER 1986 | Developing Faith @My beloved brothers and sisters, I would be ungrateful if I did not thank the many of you who have prayed for my well-being over the past few months. Medical science is marvelous, but above and beyond that, it takes special blessings from our Heavenly Father for healing to occur. I appreciate your prayers in my behalf.\I was told of a conversation by a Primary teacher, who related what transpired in his class. He was teaching the eleven-year-olds. He asked the question, “Suppose the Lord asked you to build a spaceship big enough to take you and your family and provisions off this planet? Could you do it?”\Steve spoke up and said, “Yes.”\And the teacher said, “Have you ever built a spaceship?”\“No.”\“Have you ever built a model spaceship?”\“No.”\“Have you ever seen one?”\Steve said, “Yes, on TV.” But then he declared, “You said the Lord told me to build it. If the Lord told me to build it, I could do it.”\I wonder how many of us as adults have that kind of faith. I would like to read in the Book of Mormon a great example of this kind of faith. I go to the seventeenth chapter of 1 Nephi:\“And it came to pass that the Lord spake unto me [Nephi], saying: Thou shalt construct a ship, after the manner which I shall show thee, that I may carry thy people across these waters” (1 Ne. 17:8).\Listen to the answer of this great Nephi:\“And I said: Lord, whither shall I go that I may find ore to molten, that I may make tools to construct the ship after the manner which thou hast shown unto me?” (1 Ne. 17:9).\And when his brothers realized that he was actually going to set about to build a ship, they said: “Why, you’re a fool. You don’t know how to construct a ship” (see 1 Ne. 17:17).\And then Nephi set about to teach them a great lesson.\How do you develop faith?\Let’s learn a great lesson from what transpired with Nephi. He started to recount the things that had happened that they all knew were a part of their heritage. He went back to the coming of the children of Israel out of Egypt. He said: “You know what happened. There they were right against the Red Sea with the Egyptians coming, and the Lord saved them” (see 1 Ne. 17:26–27).\Then he goes on and talks about how they received manna in the wilderness, how they received water from a rock, how the Lord led them by a pillar of cloud in the daytime and a light at night, and how when they crossed the Jordan, it stopped when the feet of the priests touched the water (see 1 Ne. 17:28–30, 32; see also Ex. 13:21, Josh. 3:15–17). And then Nephi tells how the Lord scattered the people; and then how, when they came among the flying serpents, Moses fashioned a brazen serpent, raised it, and all they had to do was look at that serpent, and they would be healed. The account says that many perished because they wouldn’t even look (see 1 Ne. 17:32, 41; see also Num. 21:8–9).\He was trying to do what you and I as parents need to do with our families today—to develop faith in the Lord. And the way to do it is to recount the examples of faith that have happened in our history and in our heritage and with our people. That’s the value of history. It contains accounts of faith of our own blood and ancestry and of our own people and our children. As has already been said in this conference, we cannot go one generation without losing faith if we do not do this. And to rear a generation of faith for what we must do in these days, you and I simply must develop and increase faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.\There’s another principle: that is, that faith precedes the miracle. This lesson is found in Ether, chapter 12. You’ll recall that Moroni was abridging the records of the twenty-four plates, and this is what he records:\“And it came to pass that Ether did prophesy great and marvelous things unto the people, which they did not believe, because they saw them not” (Ether 12:5).\They couldn’t see them; they wouldn’t believe them. They needed to be taught that believing is seeing. And then Moroni interpolates here:\“And now, I, Moroni, would speak somewhat concerning these things; I would show unto the world that faith is things which are hoped for and not seen; wherefore, dispute not because ye see not, for ye receive no witness until after the trial of your faith” (Ether 12:6).\We need to learn that. We can’t have just faith. We cannot have the miracle until after the exercise of faith. Moroni sets forth on the next page or so instances of those miracles that have occurred after the trial of the faith of the people. We need to learn that principle as well.\I recall that when I was twenty years old, I went for an interview with the bishop to go on a mission. When I returned, my mother, all smiles, said, “Well, Ted, what did the bishop say?”\“He said I couldn’t go.”\“Why not?” my mother asked.\And I said, “Because we don’t have enough money.”\“If my father could leave two children and another to be born shortly after he left, you can go.”\I said, “I know that, but the bishop doesn’t.”\Parenthetically, I might say that he was doing his job right. He asked me if I had any money. I told him I had a few hundred dollars that I had earned that summer.\He said, “Then what?”\I said, “My dad would send it to me.”\He said, \I said, “No,” and he didn’t. We had lost our sheep herd during the Depression. My father was a livestock dealer buying lambs and wool on commission, and that was a very uncertain income.\The bishop said, “The Brethren have had some serious experiences, and so you cannot go unless you can guarantee that you’ll have sufficient money.”\I accepted that, and that’s what I told my mother.\That night we waited for Dad to come home and then held a family council. We concluded that we didn’t then have enough money—and that we wouldn’t, so far as we could see, anytime in the future. We decided to ask our neighbor, Tom Anderson, a rather wealthy man, if he would help. When we explained our situation, he said, “You tell the bishop that I will ‘back you.’”\Before the bishop opened his business the next morning, I was there waiting to tell him that Tom Anderson said he would back me. The bishop said, “That’s all I need to know.”\The interesting thing was that we never did have to call on Brother Anderson. My folks would send that check and with it a note, “This is for this month, and we’ll have the next month’s, too.”\I am a product of a household of faith. I learned faith in my home. I was taught it. It was drilled into me. I need that faith now as much as I ever did.\I think we all do. We’re not going to survive in this world, temporally or spiritually, without increased faith in the Lord—and I don’t mean a positive mental attitude—I mean downright solid faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. That is the one thing that gives vitality and power to otherwise rather weak individuals.\I bear you my humble witness that I know that God lives. I know that he lives, that he is our Father, that he loves us. I bear witness that Jesus is the Christ, our Savior and our Redeemer.\I understand better what that means now. I am grateful for his atonement in our behalf and for knowing something about our relationship to him and to our Heavenly Father and about the meaning and purpose of the gospel of Jesus Christ. I am grateful for Joseph Smith. I know he was a prophet, and I know that President Ezra Taft Benson is a living prophet today. I bear that witness in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.@@@v-Now here is the rest of BKP: I had intended to tell this at his funeral, but my feelings were too tender that day to speak of it.


One Sunday when Brother Tuttle was at home, confined mostly to his bed, I spent a few hours with him while Marné and the family went to church.


He was deeply moved by the outpouring of love from across the world. Each letter extended prayers of faith for his recovery. Many of the messages came from South America, where the Tuttle family had labored for so many years.


That day we reviewed his life, beginning with his birth in Manti, Utah, to an ordinary Latter-day Saint couple. We talked of his father, whom I knew, and of his mother, a faithful temple worker.


He talked of his mission, his college days, his marriage to Marné Whitaker, and his heroic service in the Marines.


Then we relived our days teaching seminary in Brigham City and supervising the seminaries and institutes of religion.


He talked of his seven faithful children and the flock of grandchildren whom he always described as “the best kids in the world.”


He spoke of his call to the First Quorum of the Seventy and the assignments that followed. Soon the Tuttle family was called to South America. They were hardly settled back home when the Brethren interviewed him about returning.


Others could say, “Of course, if you should call us, we would go.” But not him, nor Marné, for they had made covenants. Without complaint, his wife and family followed him back time after time for a total of seven years.


No matter that he had never recovered from serious physical troubles which began on his first assignment there. That day Brother Tuttle spoke tenderly of the humble people of Latin America. They who have so little had greatly blessed his life.


He insisted that he did not deserve more blessings, nor did he need them. Others needed them more. And then he told me this: “I talked to the Lord about those prayers for my recovery. I asked if the blessings were mine to do with as I pleased. If that could be so, I told the Lord that I wanted him to take them back from me and give them to those who needed them more.”


He said, “I begged the Lord to take back those blessings and give them to others.”


Brother Tuttle wanted those blessings from our prayers for those struggling souls whom most of us hardly remember, but whom he could not forget.


The scriptures teach that “the effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much” (James 5:16).


Can you not believe that the Lord may have favored the pleadings of this saintly man above our own appeal for his recovery?


We do not know all things, but is it wrong to suppose that our prayers were not in vain at all? Who among us would dare to say that humble folk here and there across the continent of South America will not receive unexpected blessings passed on to them from this man who was without guile?


May not lofty purposes such as this be worked out in our lives if we are submissive?


Now, I know that skeptics may ridicule such things. But I, for one, am content to believe that our prayers were accepted and recorded and redirected to those whose hands hang down in despair, just as Brother Tuttle had requested.


In any case, ought we not to conclude all our prayers with “Let thy will, O Lord, be done”?


During his last weeks he was always pleasant, invariably comforting those who came to comfort him. I was present when he called his doctors to his bedside and thanked each one for the care he had received.


He was determined to live through Thanksgiving Day lest his passing cast a shadow of sorrow upon his family on that holiday in future years. That evening he saw each of his children, called those who were away, expressed his love and blessings, and bade them farewell. It was very late when they reached Clarie, who lives in Alaska, but his parting must be delayed until that was done.


Early the next morning, without resistance, with a spirit of quiet anticipation, he slipped away. At that moment, there came into that room a spirit of peace which surpasseth understanding.


Marné had been before, was then, and has been since, a perfect example of serenity and acceptance.


Now, to draw a lesson from this experience.


Brother Tuttle served twenty-eight years as a General Authority. He traveled the world. He supervised the work in Europe for a time. But with all the places he would go and all of the things he was to do, he repeatedly said that the crowning experience of his ministry was his service as president of the Provo Temple with his beloved Marné at his side.


Few know the demanding schedule of a temple president. The day may begin at three in the morning and end only too close to that same hour.


It was not that he was presiding over the temple but that the calling allowed him to be in the temple. He would have been quite content to serve under another. His feelings about that assignment were not due so much to his understanding of what a call is, as it was his understanding of what a covenantis.


A covenant is a sacred promise, as used in the scriptures, a solemn, enduring promise between God and man. The fulness of the gospel itself is defined as the new and everlasting covenant (see D&C 22:1; D&C 66:2).


Several years ago I installed a stake president in England. In another calling, he is here in the audience today. He had an unusual sense of direction. He was like a mariner with a sextant who took his bearings from the stars. I met with him each time he came to conference and was impressed that he kept himself and his stake on course.


Fortunately for me, when it was time for his release, I was assigned to reorganize the stake. It was then that I discovered what that sextant was and how he adjusted it to check his position and get a bearing for himself and for his members.


He accepted his release, and said, “I was happy to accept the call to serve as stake president, and I am equally happy to accept my release. I did not serve just because I was under call. I served because I am under covenant. And I can keep my covenants quite as well as a home teacher as I can serving as stake president.”


This president understood the word covenant.


While he was neither a scriptorian nor a gospel scholar, he somehow had learned that exaltation is achieved by keeping covenants, not by holding high position.


The mariner gets his bearing from light coming from celestial bodies—the sun by day, the stars by night. That stake president did not need a mariner’s sextant to set his course. In his mind there was a sextant infinitely more refined and precise than any mariner’s instrument.


The spiritual sextant, which each of us has, also functions on the principle of light from celestial sources. Set that sextant in your mind to the word covenantor the word ordinance. The light will come through. Then you can fix your position and set a true course in life.


No matter what citizenship or race, whether male or female, no matter what occupation, no matter your education, regardless of the generation in which one lives, life is a homeward journey for all of us, back to the presence of God in his celestial kingdom.


Ordinances and covenants become our credentials for admission into His presence. To worthily receive them is the quest of a lifetime; to keep them thereafter is the challenge of mortality.


Once we have received them for ourselves and for our families, we are obligated to provide these ordinances vicariously for our kindred dead, indeed for the whole human family.


Now, there are those who scoff at the idea of vicarious ordinances performed for the salvation of souls. They think it all to be very strange.


No thinking Christian should be surprised at such a doctrine. Was not the sacrifice of Christ a vicarious offering for and in behalf of all mankind? The very Atonement was wrought vicariously.


The Lord did for us what we could not do for ourselves. Is it not Christlike for us to perform in the temples ordinances for and in behalf of those who cannot do them for themselves?


Genealogies, or family histories, as I prefer to call them, are an indispensable part of temple work. Temples are nourished with names. Without genealogies, ordinances could be performed only for the living. Searching out the names of our kindred dead is a duty of consummate importance. There is a spirit which accompanies this work very similar to that which attends us in the temple itself.


Missionaries and those with small children may not be able to devote much time to this work at present, but you can keep the spirit of it. You can talk to the old folks and record what they say, keep family records, attend the temple.


There is the tendency on the part of some to regard genealogy work as a tedious, onerous burden. And they are quite content to leave it to the aged or to others “who have an interest in such things.”


Be careful! It may well be that those who have that interest in such things have chosen the better part. And I would say to you, if you are called to other service, or do not have an interest in genealogy, do not belittle or stand in the way of those who do. Give them every encouragement; contribute what you can.


The Prophet Joseph Smith said: “The doctrine or sealing power of Elijah is as follows:—If you have power to seal on earth and in heaven, then we should be wise. The first thing you do, go and seal on earth your sons and daughters unto yourself, and yourself unto your fathers in eternal glory” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, sel. Joseph Fielding Smith, Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1938, p. 340).


The Spirit of Elijah of which the prophets have spoken is very real and accompanies those who seek for the records of their kindred dead.


The more I have to do with genealogical work, the more difficulty I have with that word dead. I know of no adequate substitute. I suppose departed would suit me as well as any. I have had too many sacred experiences, of the kind of which we never speak lightly, to feel that the word dead describes those who have gone beyond the veil.


Temple and genealogy work are visible testimonies of our belief in the resurrection and atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ. Should we doubt that we live again beyond the veil, what reason would we have to do the things we are doing?


This work is our witness of the redemptive power of the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ.


Now what of Brother Tuttle or of his family? I remind you that it is a veil, not a wall, that separates us from the spirit world. He kept his covenants. Veils can become thin, even parted. We are not left to do this work alone.


They who have preceded us in this work and our forebears there, on occasion, are very close to us. I have a testimony of this work; it is a supernal work in the Church. I am a witness that those who go beyond the veil yet live and minister here, to the end that this work might be completed.


God grant that we who have an opportunity to have part in it might seek that opportunity and labor with all our might, in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.


How do you feel Brandon? Did you learn anything? Man, sure did. One of the sweetest things I learned is that BKP wanted to share this at ATT’s funeral but felt too soggy, soft, overwhelmed, touched. Did you hear, read, recognize the strength of the statement: No thinking Christian. . . ? What powerful language! In my opinion BKP was all there. He had his real feelings and he had real courage. Not like me. It takes me a day or two to figure out what I am feeling sometimes. Brandon, this stuff is true. We are here to gain and prove our faith. The veil is often thin. This is just a blink in the eye of eternity. Your blink Probably seems very long, maybe even neverending but hopefully your conditions and work opportunity is better than it was at Purgatory. @@@ Monday, 2/18/19 FHE oops mine starts in 10 minutes! President Lorenzo Snow was sent to Italy by JS on a mission. I keep finding Lorenzos in Italy. I just realized how brilliant it was restore the church in this country so the settlers could go back to their homelands on missions! Amazing. @@@Sister Black, pink/purple glasses, gets frustrated with missionaries not being able to help indexers. She called them idiots twice today when I visited with her. She stopped to thank me for being here so she can take people that want to index to an expert instead of an idiot. Well, low and behold, Karla from the Paradise Spanish ward came in at 12:30 wanting to learn. I just helped her do a death record from El Salvador! Yippee! She had tried on her own and hadn’t had any luck. It had been so confusing. I asked which language she would like to work in and she said either. So I encouraged spanish because they have real birth-nacimiento, marriage-matrimonio, death-defuncion & records. Vital statistics. It was so cute. She really laughed when she tried to do a marriage for a birth. She gave me a high five and a fist bump when she succeeded on her second one. She felt the success! It gives me moist eyes and chills and thrills just writing about it. 1-I am so glad I followed up with sister Black. 2- I am so glad I heard that belnap’s el salvador records were good/simple. 3- Elder Linn E said that formless records work just like a boilerplate, so I had the courage to help her on the first one that came up. I could list 20 things Karla and I discovered along the way. It was so rich. She wanted to learn what all the tools were on the top bar but we only covered a few of them. The trash and add-an-entry and submit and ñ buttons were the most important. (4) We gold starred / favorited the two El Salvador projects.





We worked on a batch just like the above! It was so exciting by the end. I finished by telling how unselfish our work is. Indexing is helping the world. Even more altruistic than those working on their own ancestral lines. This is what the above record says:
1 #46
2 16 of Junio
3 1893
4 Miguel Hernandez
5 23 yo
6 son of Apolinar Hernandez and Manuela Perez
7 died today
8 of a stomach ache.

Karla’s death record died of dropsy. Her face was shining in joy as she closed and left for work at 1:30. I made her a key from her first record. :) I introduced myself as Vincenzo, brother Vincenzo and Elder Jim Fitz came and teased me about giving me a missionary tag. :) I am so happy. Tyhf. I told karla I have two of this shirt. She said she does the same. I’m here every day until noon and sometimes until 5 pm. She works from 1:30 until 10 pm so she would come in the morning. @@@Hello Brandon, A new month! Here is a meaningful email exchange:


Howard Cheney\Mar 8, 2019, 12:51 PM (1 day ago)\to me\\Don’t we all. Vern I should not be trying to dictate that anyway. You know where the needs are greatest so it is really up\To you and the spirit how you divide your time.\\I am just grateful for your dedication to the work!\Thank you!\\Elder Cheney\\Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 8, 2019, at 11:48 AM, vern jensen <phonev6@gmail.com> wrote:\\I spoke before I thought.\esterday I made a mistake in my commitment. There is no way I can index 100 italian records a day and do ten times that in Spanish reviewing.\I blew it when I promised to review ten times more than I index. Twice as much reviewing as indexing is a more reasonable promise for me.\Sorry. Sometimes I speak before I think. :(\v\PS. It was refreshing to hear answers to our questions. Sister Upton came to me and asked how to watch the workshop from last Thursday, she was feeling left out. I reassured her it was for leadership and that we had not let anyone down by not having watched. She felt better about not even having known.\Believe it or not it is good to hear the issues you face in the supervision of all these languages and projects. It makes us feel like we are "in the know."\Lastly, how fun to watch you test the options for communicating with our group. Spanish Completion Team group. I like that you adjusted our goal.\On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 4:31 PM Howard Cheney <CheneyHW@churchofjesuschrist.org> wrote:\Vern are you already at the FHC?\I was delayed and am\On my way now!\Sent from my iPhone\


vern jensen\2:20 PM (0 minutes ago)\to Howard\Thank you, that means a lot.

march 17, 2019 Good morning Brandon, I am surprised I have not printed this off and sent it to you yet! Last Sunday our Bishop was asked to speak in anticipation of Ward Conference which is today. YOU may remember his Stake Conference talk about the sacrament that floored me and that I sent to you. I had never heard anything like it. To have Sacrament meeting be like a funeral for Jesus and his body to be under the white alter right there on the stand for all of us to take of was a mind blowing concept. @ Bishop Beau Barney speaks humbly but courageously. And some of his concepts cut right to the core. I asked him for a copy of his talk. This is the email I wrote him asking/ requesting:I tried but I couldn't keep up. (notes in my journal)Sun, Mar 10, 3:23 PM (7 days ago)
to beau\Dear Bishop Barney,\Thank you for teasing your wife so mercilessly before she spoke. You are human after all! :) She said she is used to it.\
I carefully looked up :
 26 And we atalk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we bprophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our cchildren may know to what source they may look for a dremission of their sins. \
1- talk of Christ
2- rejoice in Christ
3- preach of Christ
4- prophecy of Christ
5- write of Christ\
How many of those do I do?\By the time you included that at the end of your talk we were all waiting for an answer to our problems, all the problems you had reminded us of.  WE WANTED THE ANSWER!\And it is an answer we can do/ actuate / follow/ perform. It is not an impossible answer. We just have to make room in our lives to do it.\You already know why I am writing this letter. I want a copy of your talk if at all possible. _____\Yep you have to fill in the blank.\\B. Q. Adams contributed 3 or 4 times in EQ today. I went to briefly visit with him afterwards. He loved Sister Jen Barney's talk. I told Sister Jen that she was phenomenal and that I deeply appreciated her sharing personal efforts to be intentional parents like:
1-reading the BoM as a family last Oct -Jan.
2-sharing how daughters/son call asking to be picked up when a PG-13 is being shown at a friend's house.\You know the law of witnesses:  Law of witnesses: in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established, D&C 6:28 (Deut. 17:6; Matt. 18:16; 2 Cor. 13:1; Ether 5:4; D&C 128:3).  \I tried to confirm/ compliment/ reassure BQAdams by asking him how he felt as he heard you explain about the dangers of smart phones. He said, "We have had many talks about this over the years." Then I tried to send it home by saying: "I thought I was listening to Bishop Adams up there today."\Dear Bishop, Thank you for your tremendous courage. Not very many will take it to heart. But they will remember each time they think about that rattlesnake. \Admiringly & Respectfully,\Vern\PS. I gave the CD of "Mothers that Know" and a personal letter to a daughter in law last year, hoping. . . \I haven't heard back yet Just waiting for the right opportunity to follow up. We'll see.\
beau.barney@gmail.com\Sun, Mar 10, 4:04 PM (7 days ago)\to me\
You are very kind Vern! I will send you a copy a little later this evening.\

Ward Conference Theme (2 Nephi 25:26)
Snake Story: A little boy was walking down a path and he came across a rattlesnake. The rattlesnake was getting old. He asked, "Please little boy, can you take me to the top of the mountain? I hope to see the sunset one last time before I die." The little boy answered "No Mr. Rattlesnake. If I pick you up, you'll bite me and I'll die." The rattlesnake said, "No, I promise. I won't bite you. Just please take me up to the mountain." The little boy thought about it and finally picked up that rattlesnake and took it close to his chest and carried it up to the top of the mountain.
They sat there and watched the sunset together. It was so beautiful. Then after sunset the rattlesnake turned to the little boy and asked, "Can I go home now? I am tired, and I am old." The little boy picked up the rattlesnake and again took it to his chest and held it tightly and safely. He came all the way down the mountain holding the snake carefully and took it to his home to give him some food and a place to sleep. The next day the rattlesnake turned to the boy and asked, "Please little boy, will you take me back to my home now? It is time for me to leave this world, and I would like to be at my home now." The little boy felt he had been safe all this time and the snake had kept his word, so he would take it home as asked.
He carefully picked up the snake, took it close to his chest, and carried him back to the woods, to his home to die. Just before he laid the rattlesnake down, the rattlesnake turned and bit him in the chest. The little boy cried out and threw the snake upon the ground. "Mr. Snake, why did you do that? Now I will surely die!" The rattlesnake looked up at him and grinned, "You knew what I was when you picked me up." [v- I hate that story! You are supposed to teach little kids kindness!]
Sister Joy Jones: (Primary General President of the Church) recently said: In today’s world, I see many parents handing their child a snake. I am speaking of smartphones. Even in impoverished countries, I have witnessed children using smartphones. The trend seems to be the same wherever I go, whether in Utah, Europe, Asia, or West Africa. I recently spoke with a youth leader whose opinion was that “putting a cell phone with an internet connection into the pocket of a young person is like placing a hot coal in their pocket—they will get burned.” [#2 stabbingly true concept]
We cannot put cell phones with internet access into the hands of young children who aren’t old enough to have been sufficiently taught, do not yet have necessary reasoning and decision-making abilities, and who don’t have parental controls and other tools to help protect them. Every phone should have safeguards... This is also good counsel for adults. No one is immune to the bite of a poisonous snake.
• So, brothers and sisters, in what ways can our smartphones be considered poisonous or deadly today? Let me just mention a few:
1. Pornography 2. Social Media 3. A constant flow of unworthy music 4. Mind-numbing or violent video games 5. Binge watching Netflix or YouTube videos
All of which are highly addictive and have been linked to much of the increase in anxiety, depression, and suicide we are seeing today. [What? This seems way over the top.-v]
For example: pornography is so addictive and so destructive to society that the General Manager of the KC Royal’s baseball team (Dayton Moore) actively addresses the issue with his players and publicly fights against it. He says: “When we continue to look the other way, it’s not going to get better. What you permit, you promote, what you fail to confront, you condone.” [I tried to write this one down but it was gone after the first effort.-v Moore wants us to take a stand and not allow certain things in our presence. Does that mean our Bishop wants us to do that too? I suspect so. What you permit, you promote, what you fail to confront, you condone.” ]

As for social media: (Colin Kartchner/Social Media Activist) has shared the following: Social media's negative effects on youth mental health and too much screen-time is the underlying link to the current epidemic rise in teen depression and anxiety, eating disorders, self-harming, suicide ideation and suicide itself. We must teach our kids that their worth does not come from likes, followers, or Snapchat streaks. [Jargon that I don’t use.-v] And yet this issue is not just with youth. He continues: Smart phones and social media are the new drug of choice in homes. They hooked parents, disconnected them from their kids, distracted us from who is truly important, and taught us that "likes" = self worth--and now our kids are modeling us. Kids need our eyes and our love and validation more than ever before. Showing your kids you love them is 2% effort and 98% just putting down your phone. (Colin Kartchner-Local Social Media Activist) [v-those numbers made me stop and think. I personally don’t believe that one.]
(In a recent address to Seminary and Institute teachers, Elder Rasband explained what’s going on with our youth in the Church: He taught:
Fear and despair: that’s what is going on. Fear of not being accepted by friends. Fear of academic performance1, pressures, and problems at home2 they can’t solve. Fear that they can trust no one3 and no one trusts them4. Fear of being alone5, and fear of being in groups6. Fear that they are a burden to others7. Fear of organized religion or any religion8. Fear that there is no solution or relief to their pain9. Fear prompts discouragement and despair, anxiety and depression; fear fuels frustrations that have no good conclusion. [v-Fear also fuels frustration and anger that can be focussed to effectuate helpful resolutions and conclusions. I know, I practice it regularly. Fear God and live! 13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.] Fear believes that no one will understand and, worse yet, that no one even asks, “What’s the matter?” Fear in its many forms is manifest unfortunately in the cruelest of conclusions—suicide. [v-Yikes, our bishop dared to mention suicide? #3]
When Utah’s governor set up a task force last year to tackle the surge in teen suicides, he asked President Nelson to appoint a Church leader to that service. President Nelson assigned me the daunting responsibility. I have learned no one is immune. Teen suicide is a crisis reaching all around the world. Statistics show that suicide is now among the three leading causes of death among youth ages 15 to 24. And this: “Suicide attempts are 20 times more frequent than completed suicides.” Those, my dear brothers and sisters, are cruel statistics.
We must all face this issue. As members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints we must commit to do everything we can to reshape the thinking that suicide is an answer, a response even worth considering. We must talk to teens about suicide and love them out of considering it as a solution to their pain. President Monson’s life embodied the phrase “to the rescue.” We need to take that as our charge.
Brothers and Sisters, let me tell you what else is happening to our society and especially our youth. They are becoming desensitized. [v- i have experienced this! In fact it is hard to remain feeling and sensitized.] The term used to describe this in the scriptures is past feeling. Many of them are not feeling things. Many are losing a sense of sacred things. Many are almost like Zombies simply going through the motions of life in a virtual way at best.  [#4 another potent word: Zombies-v]
This is one of Satan’s great tricks. He is cheating many souls out of having a mortal experience at all because he can’t have one. He is tempting us to become so involved in technology and media today that at best we have a virtual life and no real physical experience at all. [I watched a youtube video this week of a guy who put on his virtual goggles for a week! After he removed them he loved the fresh air and outside smells of nature. Nothing can replace those. (and there you are Brandon stuck in prison. Do they ever let you out to feel the wind, rain, smell the spring air or watch the clouds in the sky?)-v]
Elder D. Todd Christofferson has explained it this way: The importance of having a sense of the sacred is simply this—if one does not appreciate holy things, he will lose them. Absent a feeling of reverence, he will grow increasingly casual in attitude and lax in conduct. He will drift from the moorings that his covenants with God could provide. His feeling of accountability to God will diminish and then be forgotten. Thereafter, he will care only about his own comfort and satisfying his uncontrolled appetites. Finally, he will come to despise sacred things, even God, and then he will despise himself. (“A Sense of the Sacred,” BYU Devotional, November 7, 2004) [v- the still small voice.]
If we are paying attention brothers and sisters, this is precisely what we are seeing today. Everything God initiates, Satan imitates. His imitation of Sacred things are secret things. His tactic is for us to keep things secret and hidden without anyone knowing. Many youth today are trying to hide so much that eventually it overcomes them, they don’t know how to fully cope with or to fully communicate about these secret things. [v- #5 anti secret. I agree.]
Brothers and Sisters, if you are not aware of all that is happening on your children’s phones, devices, or computers then, let me be bold enough to say to you that you have no idea what is going on in your child’s life and there may be many secrets you are unaware of. Many youth today live on their phones. (Unfortunately, many adults and spouses do too)
Truly brothers and sisters, we do have a deadly snake problem among us as modern-day Israel. Yet, so did ancient Israel. In fact, the scriptures teach us that there were many fiery serpents among them, they bit the people, and much of the people of Israel died.
What could they do to solve their snake problem? After they had been bitten, the Lord prepared a way that they might be healed. It was simple: All they had to do was to look; (If they would simply cast their eyes upon the brazen serpent which Moses did raise up on a pole before them, they would live. But, because of the simpleness of the way, or the easiness of it, there were many who perished. (1 Nephi 17:41)
Symbolically, the brazen serpent on the pole represented Jesus Christ who in the meridian of time would Atone for all sin, be raised upon the cross and crucified that we might be healed physically, mentally, spiritually, emotionally, and in every other way possible.
Brothers and Sisters, for us the answer is just as simple today. And yet because it’s so simple, many around us today are dying physically and spiritually because many are too unwilling1, too distracted2, too selfish3, too worldly4, too concerned about being popular5, or just simply too lazy6 to look to Christ and live and teach their children to do the same. [#6 powerful labels-v]
Brothers and Sisters, this type of effort on our part will simply not be good enough. We cannot afford any more physical or spiritual casualties, especially among us. Yet, brothers and sisters, I can testify that if we don’t change anything in our own lives and if we don’t choose today to be “Intentional Parents” like President Nelson and my dear, sweet wife Jen has just taught us, the problem won’t get better, it will in reality get much, much worse.
So, where do we start?
Well, first it would be best to avoid the poisonous serpents in the first place. In the words of, President Ezra Taft Benson: “it is better to prepare and prevent than it is to repair and repent.” [#7 this one gives me a big, BIG smile.-v]
(“The Law of Chastity,” New Era, Jan. 1988, 6)
So, what preventative measures can we take? Dan Coats: (Senator of Indiana) explained: There is something very wrong when children are treated as obstacles to parental self-fulfillment... It creates young people who later find themselves unable to form their own families. [OUCH! Should we take that one personal?-v] And this self-centered destruction of the family is not only an individual tragedy, it is a national crisis. [It is so nice to know that even a guy in Indiana is noticing!-v] (“America’s Youth: A Crisis of Character”) Sister Julie Beck (General RS President) speaking of “Mothers Who Know” explained: They allow less media in their homes, less distraction, less activity that draws their children away from their home. Mothers who know are willing to live on less and consume less of the world’s goods in order to spend more time with their children—more time eating together, more time working together, more time reading together, more time talking, laughing, singing, and exemplifying. These mothers choose carefully and do not try to choose it all. Their goal is to prepare a rising generation of children who will take the gospel of Jesus Christ into the entire world. [I absolutely love it!-v This is the letter and CD I gave to Bonnie in ‘17. This one is personal to me.]
Their goal is to prepare future fathers and mothers who will be builders of the Lord’s kingdom for the next 50 years. That is influence; that is power. (“Mothers Who Know,” October 2007) Sister Joy D. Jones: Primary GP (Provides 5 very specific and practical ways we can do this in the home.) She says:
1. Some parents opt for flip phones for their children to limit usage to calling and texting. 2. I know families who have designated a single, high-traffic area in their home where electronic devices are used. These families call it a “media room,” and all their devices are kept in open view, in the light. Never is any one person alone in the/their-v room on a media device. 3. Other families have opted for rules like no phones in bedrooms or bathrooms. 4. Some simply say “never alone with a phone.” [v- those are 5 nice powerful simple words but impossible to to keep/ adhere to.] 5. Still others gradually add access to apps their children can use with software that allows the child’s phone to be configured by the parent. This way they teach that trust is earned and that phone safety is important. Whatever the needs are for our individual families, let’s teach each family member to use technology wisely and positively from the start—to develop a moral mindset. She warns: “You wouldn’t take your children and leave them alone in the middle of NYC, but that’s effectively what you’re doing when you allow them to go into cyberspace alone.”[1] Jason S. Carroll, a professor of family life at BYU, stated, “We safeguard our children until the time they can safeguard themselves.” The brain stem, which houses the pleasure centers of the brain, develops first. Only later do the reasoning and decision-making abilities in the frontal cortex fully develop. “So kids have the gas pedal without the full brake.”[2] [#8 stabbingly true concept.-v]
In reality, it was the Nephite parents that had the ultimate solution: (And this is the scriptural theme for next week’s ward conference) They declared: 2 Nephi 25:26 26 And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins.
Elder Rasband: Added: Jesus is the Answer. Dear President Nelson has said, “When the focus of our lives is on God’s plan of salvation ... and Jesus Christ and His gospel, we can feel joy regardless of what is happening—or not happening—in our lives.”
This is illustrated well in the biblical episode of Peter walking on water: Matthew 14:28-32 (We read:) 28 And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water. 29 And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus. 30 But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me. 31 And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt? 32 And when they were come into the ship, the wind ceased.
When Peter’s focus was on Christ, miracles occured in his life. When he focused on the world around him, he sunk into fear and deep despair. So, it is with each of us. [#9 stabbingly true concept. Stabbed right to the heart.-v]
So, brothers and sisters, how can we look to and focus on Christ and avoid the many worldly distractions around us today? I would invite each of us to look to and focus on Christ in the following 3 ways:
1. Teach the Gospel in your home and make it a priority 2. Communicate openly and often with your children in a spirit of love 3. Focus on Christ through sacred ordinances and the temple
1. Teach the Gospel in the home: (How can we best do this?) Follow the prophet by studying the Come Follow Me curriculum as a family and hold regular FHE Teach your children to live the standards found in the FSOY pamphlet Teach and encourage your children to study the scriptures personally for themselves. Encourage enrollment in Seminary & Institute courses.
2. Communicate openly in a spirit of love Take more time for your kids. Time to just talk to them and to listen to them, open up a line of communication Don’t be too busy with other things that don’t really matter Don’t selfishly put your own hobbies and interests above your kids.
3. Ordinances and the Temple: Do indexing, Family History, and be worthy to attend the temple as a family. Come prepared to partake of the sacrament worthily each week and focus on the Savior instead of distracting devices. Make the temple and your covenants your top priority.
Brothers and Sisters, as we look to Christ and focus on Him in these ways, we will come to realize what Sister Dew realized when she said:
Sister Sheri Dew: (The Savior isn’t our last chance; He is our only chance. [#9 again!-v] Our only chance to overcome self-doubt and catch a vision of who we may become. Our only chance to repent and have our sins washed clean. Our only chance to purify our hearts, subdue our weaknesses, and avoid the adversary. Our only chance to obtain redemption and exaltation. Our only chance to find peace and happiness in this life and eternal life in the world to come. (April 1999) [b e a u t i f u l - v ]
We will also come to realize what the exemplary intentional parent Helaman taught his two son’s Nephi and Lehi when he said:
Helaman 5:12 12 And now, my sons, remember, remember that it is upon the rock of our Redeemer, who is Christ, the Son of God, that ye must build your foundation; that when the devil shall send forth his mighty winds, yea, his shafts in the whirlwind, yea, when all his hail and his mighty storm shall beat upon you, it shall have no power over you to drag you down to the gulf of misery and endless wo, because of the rock upon which ye are built, which is a sure foundation, a foundation whereon if men build they cannot fall.
Brothers and Sisters, may you and I more than ever before, look to Christ and live both physically and spiritually! Let us be of good cheer and find joy in the journey despite our circumstances. As we do our part and really try, the grace of Christ will save us from our fears and our sins. May we have the courage to do what it takes to have no secrets.
If you have been bitten by this poisonous serpent in any way, I plead with you to come see me and let me help you get the poisonous venom out of your soul before it becomes fatal. [v-As only a bishop can invite!]
My dear brothers and Sisters come unto Christ and be healed. He is the light, He is the Rock. If we will focus on Him, we will be of good cheer and through Him we will overcome the world. In the name of Jesus Christ, Amen. @@@ Can you see why I wanted a copy of that talk? Holy Cow!  . . . . .
His wife, Jen, spoke before he did. If you want a copy, I have one. Intentional Parenting. BBB said that: A new bishop is chosen by the most righteous wife in the ward. Sunnie Adams gave us Bishop Q. Adams. Jen Barney gives us Bishop B. Barney. Cute huh!  Yes we give lip service in the church. I wonder if the women have come to expect it? Or if they truly believe it? I haven’t been able to figure this one out yet.















Thursday, November 1, 2018

Don’t Be a Cold-Gravy Spouse



10/23/18 Hello Brandon, Fall is here! My almond tree is dropping all its leaves into my pond. I need to get the new baby fish out of that pond and bring them in the house and the leaves are causing havoc. Yesterday, Monday, I slept through most of the day. It seems like I have tons to process after socializing on Sunday and I sleep long and feel tired the next day. That also makes me feel guilty because I don’t want to be lazy. On lazy days I only do 100 II. It was late last night before I finished. I have a new author! Sharon Lee and her husband Steve live in Maine and they write similar to Lois Bujold. Our library is missing book 2 and 3 of the Theo Waitley series so I ordered old library copies from Better World Books and I will donate them to the WCL afterwards. In the meantime I am reading one from another of their series. These are science fiction and they have created the Liaden Universe where these books take place. Various worlds are involved and of course pilots are the elite! Theo is a 14 year old girl who has no idea her father is a pilot and she is starting to come into her genetics/ gifts/ talents/ abilities. Talk about fun! I tried two other authors but they don’t even come close to Sharon Lee so they will have to wait for later. I find that when I have a good book to read the whole world seems a little happier. My vision changes.


1st book I read. Current book.





As you can see they are numerous and popular!


Mark Clayton use to reassure me that a good therapist is considered a treasure. I think a great author is a treasure as well! Amber told me that Mark Clayton has his first 2 articles coming out in the Ensign these next two months. Wouldn’t that be cool! One is called: “When your marriage turns into cold gravy.” or something like that. @@@ one of the things I told you about on Oct. 17 was the joke I made in EQ about small and simple things bringing great things to pass. You may remember that I labeled Alex Gardine as big and complex. Little did I know he would write us an invitation / prospectus about Quarterly Ministering interviews that would be a work of art. Check this out:


Subject:To Alex Gardine by way of his wife. Since you don't have an email posted how are we supposed to contact you?vern jensen <phonev6@gmail.com>\4:07 PM (0 minutes ago)
to Joni\Alex Gardine <noreply@ldschurch.org>\Oct 17, 2018, 4:12 PM (4 days ago)\to me\Dear Brethren –\It is with great hope and optimism that I send you this message today. I pray that it finds you well and that your family is blessed today. My heart is full, and I feel the subtle but guiding hand of the Holy Ghost in making my 1st steps in doing the Lord’s work in our Elders Quorum. I have no doubt that the Lord will grant all of us His Spirit to accomplish what President Nelson described as a “newer, holier approach to caring for and ministering to others.” \To me, it feels like the Lord is giving us all an opportunity to grow as Disciples of Christ. I certainly feel this way as we move toward an approach of gospel-based, heartfelt care for one another. \As you know, I am tasked with conducting Ministering Interviews. You can imagine my apprehension as I have never before done a Ministering Interview. I expect as we get to know one another, we will become comfortable in the manner, type, and frequency of the Ministering Interviews as it pertains to those in our stewardship. Certainly there is not a one-size-fits-all to these communications and I suppose we will all learn as we go. I see it as a blessing that I have no preconceived notions about how these discussions will go. I pray only that they do go, and that they are acceptable to the Lord and bring our fellow saints closer to Christ. \My commitment to you is that I will say a prayer before each communication and that I will carry a prayer in my heart that seeks the Lord’s interest in our ward’s families. I also commit that I will be available to you to assist you in your priesthood duties. I am often working from my home and will try move things around to meet a need that comes up. Finally, I commit that we will make substance of our Ministering Interviews a matter of thought & prayer in our Elders Quorum Presidency. I have been touched by the love that these good men have for all of us and expect it will only grow. \I invite you if you have not already, to make those in your stewardship a matter of prayer.\With love and respect,\Alex D. Gardine\~~~~~\Alex,\Wow can you write! Beautiful.\I am impressed with your commitments.
1 - I will say a prayer before each communication
2- I will carry a prayer in my heart that seeks the Lord’s interest in our ward’s families.
3- I will be available to you to assist you in your priesthood duties.
4- I commit that we will make substance of our Ministering Interviews a matter of thought & prayer in our Elders Quorum Presidency.\


I will be so excited to have my first ministering or home teaching interview in 6+ years. Can you believe that? I know Frank Haney tried to get the EQ off its butt and interviewing or calling. He did not succeed.\
Bonus/ optional:\As you can imagine I have had the privilege of serving in 5 or 10 EQ presidencies and two bishoprics as a membership clerk or ward clerk. I was like you. I felt my responsibility keenly! It felt like a constant burden. Some of the EQ presidents I have had didn't care or couldn't care about home teaching. Hence: MINISTERING @@@ So Brandon, you could probably tell that I found a way to respond to his email by way of his wife. :) Since I told her the joke about big and complex/ small and simple she will probably be happy to pass the email along to her husband. @@@ One of the missionary sisters said, “Don’t dull your personality just because you want to be a good example and/or good missionary for the church.” in the closing talk in sacrament meeting Sunday. That sentence spoke to me. My personality is a bit strong and overpowering at times. @ As I prayed Sunday after looking at the new baby fish in the 55 gal tank at the foot of my bed and the two pictures I have of Jesus holding little children and holding his hand out to us in one of them, I realized that if we are to be as little children I can do that, I think. That simplifies everything! I love being a little child. I love having fun and trusting and loving and being obedient. It is the complexities of life that get me down. @ I had two memorable dreams this morning. In one I got to meet Pres RMNelson two different times. That one was pleasant. In the other I was a student taking a hard math class in college and I had lost my book and couldn’t do my homework nor get help. That one was awful. In my current novel: Mouse and Dragon, Aelliana Caylon has escaped her abusive family., and she is famous for creating a new mathematical table that will save dozens of pilots lives. She is really good at math. Perhaps that stimulated my limiting out in math experience back in college. I got in way over my head and couldn’t understand advanced derivatives and extrapolations. 10/31 halloween, The day is done! I sat out front in the hammock and passed out candy. When it got slower I took Molly on her walk. Hello Brandon, Jesse Bird was asked to sub for our gospel doctrine class at 10am Sunday morning. That’s the same time choir practice starts! Short notice! He did a fantastic job. I have loved him from the start. He quoted all of Chapter 53 of Isaiah and asked if there was anything we keyed in on. A phrase in this verse made me stop and think:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. I asked myself, why would we hide our faces? So here it is Wednesday night and I am still thinking about it. What do you think? Look at the whole chapter if you want more background. Chapter 53 Isaiah speaks about the Messiah—His humiliation and sufferings are described—He makes His soul an offering for sin and makes intercession for the transgressors—Compare Mosiah 14. Would you believe Abinadi quotes this chapter to King Noah and Alma and the other priests? Jesse asked us to contrast hiding our faces with verse 12 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death; and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bore the sins of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. Pt We are all transgressors Brandon. @ When Jesse asked what this meant: Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; I raised my hand and he had to call on me again! “In my father’s house are many mansions, I go there to prepare a place for you.” Was my brief answer. He seemed satisfied and moved on to the next point. I felt touched by those scriptures Brandon. I used to feel embarrassed that we had Isaiah chapters in the BoM. Now I see that it is unity. It is the same scriptures that even Jesus loved. Isaiah, Nephi, Abinadi, Jesus, they all loved the ideas in these chapters. Someday I will internalize those chapters. @ The two reasons I could think of for turning our faces away are 1- We are ashamed of what was done to torture and crucify Jesus Christ, 2- We would hide our sins from him. @ How would you like it if you heard the same voice Enos heard? 5 And there came a voice unto me, saying: Enos, thy sins are forgiven thee, and thou shalt be blessed.


6 And I, Enos, knew that God could not lie; wherefore, my guilt was swept away.


7 And I said: Lord, how is it done?


8 And he said unto me: Because of thy faith in Christ, whom thou hast never before heard nor seen. And many years pass away before he shall manifest himself in the flesh; wherefore, go to, thy faith hath made thee whole. I am listening to GC Oct’79. Enos thy sins are forgiven thee, are spoken various times and one of those times they sank in. This is a loving Saviour who reaches out and forgives our sins. Not just once but over and over again as we desire. Magic. Miraculous. Is there any greater miracle? I love real magic. I love real miracles.@@@Guess who published in October’s Ensign? Brandon, my therapist, Mark Clayton!!
Don’t Be a Cold-Gravy Spouse


By Mark Clayton


The author lives in Utah, USA.


My relationship with my wife had gone cold. But together we renewed our marriage.Illustrations by Alberto Ruggieri


“I still love you, but I am not in love with you anymore,” my wife told me.


As a professional marriage counselor, I knew this was serious. When I hear a client say this to a spouse, it usually means, “I want a divorce.”\We were driving home from the Las Vegas Nevada Temple. Ironically, we had just witnessed a young couple get sealed for eternity. I had asked my wife to drive so I could work on the Gospel Doctrine lesson I would teach the next day. My wife was willing to drive, but after nearly two hours of silence while I worked, she wasn’t feeling very close to me.\That had recently been our pattern. I hadn’t been a very good husband lately because I was so caught up in doing “more important” things. Once she made her announcement, however, I finally understood what was truly important and what was not.\A Marriage Gone Stale\President Spencer W. Kimball (1895–1985) once said, “Many couples permit their marriages to become stale and their love to grow cold like old bread or worn-out jokes or cold gravy.”1\Simply put, I had become a “cold gravy” husband. Fortunately, my wife was not telling me she wanted a divorce. She was telling me she wanted a good husband.\I asked her what I could do to be better. She gave me a list that included things like cleaning out the storage shed, being more aware of finances, and knowing the details of our kids’ schedules. Sadly, none of it was new to me.\I knew I had to reevaluate my priorities to put my marriage at the top. I started working on the list right away. I cleaned the shed, began regular budget meetings with my wife, and put my kids’ schedules into my cell phone calendar. My wife also worked harder to feel in love with me again. We increased the consistency of date nights and of prayers as a couple and spent more quality time together. Ultimately, we were able to renew our marriage.\In contrast to our story, I often see unhappy endings when marriages grow stale. I saw it many times as a bishop. Some couples just aren’t willing to put in the work required to renew their marriage. And there are those who might ask, “Is that so wrong? Can’t we go on living the gospel and being a good person and let our marriages be what they are?”\The family proclamation states, “Husband and wife have a solemn responsibility to love and care for each other. … [They] will be held accountable before God for the discharge of these obligations.”2\That is a sobering perspective. Our marriages are important to God, and we are expected to do everything we can to keep them alive and strong.\That being said, we cannot have complete control over a relationship that involves someone else’s agency. In cases of abuse, leaving a marriage may be the only option. I have the utmost empathy for people in these heart-wrenching situations. We can find peace in the promise that “faithful members whose circumstances do not allow them to receive the blessings of eternal marriage and parenthood in this life will receive all promised blessings in the eternities.”3\Beautiful,Sweet, and Growing\President Kimball had this counsel for cold-gravy spouses: “These people will do well to reevaluate, to renew their courting, to express their affection, to acknowledge kindnesses, and to increase their consideration so their marriage again can become beautiful, sweet, and growing.”4\So how can we do this? Here are some suggestions based on my experiences as a husband, marriage counselor, and bishop.\1. Admit your marriage could use some work.\While serving as a member of the Presidency of the Seventy, Elder Joe J. Christensen said, “Any intelligent couple will have differences of opinion. Our challenge is to be sure that we know how to resolve them.”5\Everyone has marriage and family problems. We risk becoming cold-gravy spouses if we do not admit our marriages could always use some work.\2. Have heart-to-heart talks about problems.\How lucky I am that my wife was willing to talk about it! If she had let her hard feelings grow, our marriage might have come to an unhappy ending.\Church leaders often emphasize good communication in marriage. For example, President Russell M. Nelson said: “Communicate well with your spouse. … Couples need private time to observe, to talk, and really listen to each other.”6 In Gospel Topics we read, “Couples can strengthen their marriage as they take time to talk together and to listen to one another, to be thoughtful and respectful, and to express tender feelings and affection often.”7\Tender implies discussing matters at the level of our feelings—having heart-to-heart talks. Contention or arguing is of the devil (see 3 Nephi 11:29; Doctrine and Covenants 10:63). It is an attempt to prove yourself right and your partner wrong. On the other hand, conflict resolution is of God, and it requires humility and vulnerability.\3. Channel your anger away from your spouse by taking a time-out.\Time-outs are necessary to keep hard feelings from building up. Elder Christensen taught: “When differences do arise, … there are instances when it is best to take a time-out. Biting your tongue and counting to ten or even a hundred is important. And occasionally, even letting the sun go down on your wrath can help bring you back to the problem in the morning more rested, calm, and with a better chance for resolution.”8\4. Validate your spouse’s feelings so your spouse knows that you are really listening and that you really care.One Latter-day Saint marriage and family counselor said:\“Almost every relationship will thrive if there is a healthy dose of validation.\“Validation begins with paying attention to what your spouse is saying. … By verbally acknowledging your spouse’s emotions, fears, thoughts, or concerns, you are communicating validation and conveying appreciation, love, and respect.”9\My wife had been asking me to clean out the shed for a while because she was worried about mice and spiders. To me, mice and spiders belong outside, and since the shed is outside, I wasn’t worried about it. But after our talk, I realized that I had not validated her feelings or taken her emotional concern to heart. I promptly cleaned out the shed to show my wife that what is important to her is important to me.\In my counseling practice, I have boiled down communication skills to what I see as the three crucial skills described above: heart-to-heart talks, time-outs, and validation (recognizing, of course, that other professional counselors may emphasize communication skills differently). While I teach only three basic skills, I find it takes most of our therapy time to help couples apply them (no, it is not as easy as it seems). Once couples are able to apply these three key skills, they usually feel much better in their marriages.\The Music of Marriage\To improve our marriages, we each need to tune in to the emotional reality beneath the behavioral surface.\Elder Wilford W. Andersen of the Seventy described a similar idea when he counseled us to strive to hear the music of the gospel instead of just dancing the steps. “We learn the dance steps with our minds, but we hear the music with our hearts,” he explained. “The dance steps of the gospel are the things we do; the music of the gospel is the joyful spiritual feeling that comes from the Holy Ghost. It brings a change of heart and is the source of all righteous desires. The dance steps require discipline, but the joy of the dance will be experienced only when we come to hear the music.”10\Can we hear the music in our marriages, or are we trying to dance without a tune? Feeling the music requires soft hearts. Have our feelings become hardened and distant, or are our hearts soft? Do we feel and express love for our spouses? Do they feel and express love for us?\If we cannot hear the music now, we can work with our spouses until we can. Elder Dieter F. Uchtdorf of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles taught, “No matter how flat your relationship may be at the present, if you keep adding pebbles of kindness, compassion, listening, sacrifice, understanding, and selflessness, eventually a mighty pyramid will begin to grow.”11\I was lucky that my wife had a forgiving heart and was willing to work with me. We were able to renew the music in our marriage. But we still need regular tunings!\My personal and professional experience is that when couples work hard together in humility, their marriages become stronger and happier












Friday, October 19, 2018

Spanish Completion Team Group

You are my hero. I had to have your name in the title!\vern jensen <phonev6@gmail.com>\Fri, Sep 28, 10:40 AM (12 days ago)\to Howard

OK, Here we are, all ready to go! You encouraged me and I took the bait. We now have a Spanish Completion Team Group. :)
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Brother Jensen,\
Thank you for setting this up. Can you do me a favor and modify the name. It is nice of you to put my name here but I am just an instrument as are you and many others. If you could take off the dash Cheney and must[just] make it the Spanish Completion Team that would be perfect. I did sign up to join and am wondering how the group is organized as to administration. Do you have some sharing the role. Only those who set it up and I believe those whom they identify as administrators can make changes or accept new members or send out messages.\
It would be good if we could select a couple of very dedicated administrative types who know the Spanish work very well and have them added to the list so as time goes on and you and I may come and go this Group can continue and receive guidance from those capable of giving it as time moves forward.\
I suspect we can find some great helpers for this from the existing Spanish Completion Team. Once we have things fully and carefully organized we can send out a report to all of the existing team encouraging them to join this group.\
Thanks again for this effort. I will be in St. George next week perhaps we can get together again and you can show me how it all works.\Thanks again Brother Jensen.\Elder Cheney
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Brother Jensen,\Thank you for setting this up. Can you do me a favor and modify the name. It is nice of you to put my name here but I am just an instrument as are you and many others. If you could take off the dash Cheney and must make it the Spanish Completion Team that would be perfect. LISTEN TO YOU, SO GENTLE AND RESPECTFUL. CHENEY GIVES CREDIBILITY TO ANY NAME AND THERE ARE SO MANY OF US THAT FOLLOW ON YOUR COAT TAILS, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE ABOVE PASTE i DID REMOVE IT. I did sign up to join and am wondering how the group is organized as to administration. I PRACTICED ACCEPTING MEMBERS WHEN I CREATED THE GROUP. SO I KNEW I COULD FIGURE IT OUT WHEN YOU SAID YOU SIGNED UP TO JOIN. Do you have some sharing the role. NOPE, BUT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO. Only those who set it up and I believe those whom they identify as administrators can make changes or accept new members or send out messages. YOU TELL ME WHO AND WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THEM ADMINISTRATORS.\It would be good if we could select a couple of very dedicated administrative types who know the Spanish work very well and have them added to the list so as time goes on and you and I may come and go this Group can continue and receive guidance from those capable of giving it as time moves forward. SOUNDS GREAT. I AM NOT GOOD AT CHECKING IT OFTEN/ REGULARLY. IT TOOK YOU 6 DAYS TO RESPOND TO MY EMAIL AND IT TOOK ME 6 DAYS TO RESPOND TO YOURS. I WAS REAL EXCITED AT FIRST WHEN I EMAILED YOU BUT AS TIME WANED, THE DAYS WENT BY I JUST SAT BACK AND FORGOT ABOUT IT. BUT SURE ENOUGH YOU DID RESPOND.\I suspect we can find some great helpers for this from the existing Spanish Completion Team. Once we have things fully and carefully organized we can send out a report to all of the existing team encouraging them to join this group. FULLY AND CAREFULLY ORGANIZED. . . NOT LIKE THOSE WHO REMOVE REVIEWING AND THEN INDEXING! RIGHTS. :)\Thanks again for this effort. I will be in St. George next week perhaps we can get together again and you can show me how it all works. HEAVENS IF I KNOW HOW IT ALL WORKS. BUT I WILL BE HAPPY TO SHARE. YOU WERE SO CUTE ABDICATING THIS RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE YOU HAVE TOO MANY IRONS IN THE FIRE. :)\Thanks again Brother Jensen. YOU ARE SO WARMLY WELCOME. FUN@@ 


10/2/18 Tuesday, Hello Brandon, I finished Oct 75 General Conference today. In his priesthood talk Pres. Kimball told a delightful story of a boy riding the train to LA and having the man across the aisle come sit by him. You should have heard the audience roar as one cute joke after another was told as a part of the story about the articles of faith. I repeated those to myself this evening as I was calming my mind. @@@ I want to begin by telling you a story. I suppose all of you young men learned the Articles of Faith before you became a member of the priesthood. I am wondering if you have retained in your mind those articles. I wonder if you know them word-perfect. Would you like to tell your fathers when you go home, if you know the Articles of Faith word-perfect?

Some years ago a young Primary boy was on a train going to California in the days when we traveled on trains. He was all alone. He sat near the window watching the telephone poles go by. Across the aisle from him was a gentleman who also was going to California. The attention of the gentleman was called to this very young boy traveling all alone without friends or relatives. He was neatly dressed and well-behaved. And this gentleman was quite impressed with him.

Finally, after some time, the gentleman crossed the aisle and sat down by the young man and said to him, “Hello, young man, where are you going?”
He said, “I am going to Los Angeles.”
“Do you have relatives there?”
The boy said, “I have some relatives there. I am going to visit my grandparents. They will meet me at the station, and I will stay with them a few days during the school vacation.”
The next questions were “Where did you come from?” and “Where do you live?”
And the boy said, “Salt Lake City, Utah.”
“Oh, then,” said the gentleman, “you must be a Mormon.”
And the boy said, “Yes, I am.” There was pride in his voice.
The gentleman said, “Well, that’s interesting. I’ve wondered about the Mormons and what they believe. I’ve been through their beautiful city; I’ve noticed the beautiful buildings, the tree lined streets, the lovely homes, the beautiful rose and flower gardens, but I’ve never stopped to find out what makes them as they are. I wish I knew what they believe.”
And the boy said to him, “Well, sir, I can tell you what they believe. ‘We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.’” (A of F 1:1.
The businessman was a bit surprised but listened intently, and the boy continued, “‘We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.’” (A of F 1:2.)
And the traveling companion thought, “This is rather unusual for a mere boy to know these important things.”
The boy went on: “‘We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.’” (A of F 1:3.) And the gentleman was amazed at the knowledge and understanding of a mere boy—he was yet to be a Scout. But he continued and gave the fourth Article of Faith A of F 1:4 and said, “‘We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.’”
“That is wonderful,” said the gentleman. “I am amazed that you know so well the doctrines of your church. I commend you.”
With a good start and with encouragement, Johnny continued. “‘We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands, by those who are in authority to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.’” (A of F 1:5.)
“That’s very solid doctrine, my boy,” the gentleman said. “I am curious now to know how they get called of God. I can understand how they would receive the call and be established with the laying on of hands, but I wonder who has the authority to preach the gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.”
They discussed the matter of calling and sustaining and laying on of hands. Then the lad said, “Would you like to know more?”
The gentleman thought that was very unusual for a boy in these tender years to know what the Church taught, and he said, “Yes, go on.”
So Johnny quoted, “‘We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, viz., apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, etc.’” (A of F 1:6.)
That brought some other discussion. “You mean that your church has apostles such as James and John and Peter and Paul, and prophets such as Moses, Abraham, Isaac, and Daniel, and also evangelists?”
And the boy responded quickly, “Yes, even evangelists. We call them patriarchs and they are appointed in all parts of the Church where there are stakes. And by inspiration they give to all the members of the Church, as required, what is called a patriarchal blessing. I have already had my patriarchal blessing, and I read it frequently. Now we have twelve apostles who have the same calling and the same authority as given to the apostles in the days of old.”
The gentleman came back with these questions: “Do you speak in tongues? Do you believe in revelations and prophecies?”
And the boy brightened up as he quoted, “‘We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, etc.’” (A of F 1:7.)
The gentleman gasped. “This sounds like you believe in the Bible!”
And the boy repeated again, “We do. ‘We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.’” (A of F 1:8.)
The gentleman discerned that we believe both in the scriptures and in revelation. And the boy quoted, “‘We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.’” (A of F 1:9.) And then he continued, “‘We believe [also] in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion will be built upon this [the American] continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.’” (A of F 1:10.)
The gentleman was listening intently. He showed no interest in crossing the aisle back to his own seat. Then Johnny came in again. He said, “‘We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.’” (A of F 1:11.) He then continued, “‘We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.’” (A of F 1:12.)
And then as a final contribution, the boy repeated the thirteenth Article of Faith A of F 1:13. “‘We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.’”
This youngster relaxed now as he finished the Articles of Faith. The gentleman was clearly excited, not only at the ability of this young boy to outline the whole program of the Church, but at the very completeness of its doctrine.
He said, “You know, after I have been to Los Angeles a couple of days, I expect to go back to New York where my office is. I am going to wire my company that I will be a day or two late and that I am going to stop in Salt Lake City en route home and go to the information bureau there and hear all the things, in more detail, about what you have told me.”
I am wondering how many of you know the Articles of Faith? How many of you big men, as well as the little men? Do you know them? Have you repeated them? @@@l don't think it is all the way true. . . Do You?

10/17/18 Good Wed afternoon Brandon, My interactions with Elder Howard Cheney (above) are extremely important to me. I have been II full time for 4 years and after all that work and no pay checks on this earth, being valued and appreciated means the world to me. @@@I finished a book that it took me over a month to get through, The Burning Within by Ranelle Wallace, 1995. In my opinion it was poorly written, it didn’t flow. But after reading Lois McMaster Bujold, my favorite writer on the planet, what would you expect?

Absolutely FANTASTIC!

Back to Ranelle, Although choppy and bumpy and disconnected there were some stories in this book which were startling and gripping. She dies on the way to the hospital after a single engine plane crash on the Fillmore, Utah mountains but her husband survives. They have two kids and can’t stand each other and flew up to SLC to try and start a new life. He is talented in design and makes a good living. While Ranelle is visiting the spirit world she realizes how selfish she has been most of her life. [Which of us hasn’t?] After she comes back to this world, NDE, she still is. But she knows there is a better way, she has felt God’s love and gradually makes the change. A translucent being protects her husband from being burned, except for his hands. He was burning in the plane much longer than she was. Her side had the only door into and out of the plane and he fainted for 5 minutes after she got out of the burning plane. The grossest part of the story was her fried black skin from her hands feet and face cracking and peeling off. The misery of burn victims was extremely well portrayed. @ I liked how she was just a plain old regular person and how human she acted and how broken her relationship with her husband was. Those things reminded me of how purposefully difficult this life is and that we don’t have to succeed, we just have to keep trying! We will fail. None of us can save ourselves. But don’t quit and don’t turn away from God. He knows and loves us individually even though I can’t comprehend it! In the spirit world she met a friendly son that would be born to her on earth. They were best friends. Against her doctor’s advice she decided to have third child. But it was a girl. So she had a 4th and knew his name was to be Nathaniel just like in heaven. @ Her grandmother took special care of her while she was in heaven. @ EHCheney has arrived at the conclusion that those on the other side really do step in and help us in our lives here. We need them as much as they need us. He was in tears as he testified that to us last Thursday. I love those kinds of testimonies. Don’t you believe that you have helped assigned ancestors before you came to earth and that you might help assigned descendants from heaven after you leave? We love each other and feel for each other and do all we are allowed for each other. Now, you know me. I profess no spiritual line to heaven, but I believe you and I have helpers from the other side. @@@ Fri. 10/19/18 Hello Brandon, You are my “Dear Kitty” just like the diary of Anne Frank. @Howard Cheney\Oct 18, 2018, 1:53 PM (1 day ago)\to me\Brother Jensen,\Please do not give up on me. I am so far behind in so many places. I will try this week to make some contacts that can join us as administrators and then I will put out the word to the entire completion Team explaining how they can join this group. I will also ask them again as always to do what they can to recruit members to the team in both locations. All they need to do to get on the Roster I maintain is send me an email with their name and a note that they would like to be part of the Spanish Completion Team and they will get a periodic report as to what is being accomplished and what our focus is at the moment.\See you next week?\Thank you! \Elder Cheney@@vern jensen\2:39 PM (0 minutes ago)\to Howard\Dear Elder Howard Cheney,\No urgency.\Here are some things I have learned recently as I have played around:\1- Vincenzo Papalardo and Howard Cheney did appear as administrators on the first banner page after a day or two! I took off Vincenzo but left yours on. Tease: If you won't let me put your name on the title, then at least you can be listed as an administrator. Ha.\2- I indexed over a thousand for Vincenzo Papalardo and once again it took a day or two before he was given Review rights. Once again, It looks like there is a delay.\3- Vincenzo Papalardo applied to become a member of the Bloomington Hills 2nd ward and it took a week before the request came through. I am the administrator so that is another way I have experimented.\In my opinion we are having fun. And you are a sort of partner in the adventure. Thank you. I will plan on being there next Thursday. I often go to FSCenter in the morning so by night time I am home preparing for my BoM class. But I love connecting with you and with us on those evenings.\Last meeting was really interesting about computer programs getting better and better and it may be only 3 years away from taking over indexing. Change and decay in all around I see. Oh, thou who changest not, Abide with me/US!@@@ 


Brandon, Can you believe the gentleness and humility and meekness of that man? Did you see him ask me not to give up on him? So sweet. I love it, because it says he has taken over the responsibility to get members into this group and that he is excited to be able to use it as a tool. How exciting for me. As you know I often feel lonely and this will give me additional possible friends. @@@ Our ward does a picnic in the park once a month. Brinkerhoff’s were there early and I asked them when they attended last? They said, last year! But since CindyB was in charge of a primary game they had to come.:) Last year I asked different people what kept them from coming to our picnic in the park and if they would want to attend. I made a deal with a few of them that they could remind me and I would try and remind them when they came. Little did I know at church Sunday that this would be the last one for the year, it gets cold and the sun goes down earlier and earlier. One of the nice things about it is that the ward covers the main dish! This month it was pulled pork sandwiches, sometimes is it hot dogs and my favorite is Subway sandwiches. Everyone who wants brings a side dish. The park is against the west side of the ward so it is extremely convenient. We got the idea from another ward. Since I wasn’t feeling depressed Sunday I decided to write Eric Yunker and invitation right then and there in priesthood opening exercises. After I sent it I thought, hey, I went to all the effort to text that one finger letter at a time, is there anyone else I could send the invite to? I picked 10 elders and forwarded it to all of them. It was so fun to get responses the rest of the day! TYHF! @My task wasn’t over. If I really wanted to get Eric there I would need to remember myself and remind him again! Since this whole experience is like a dream come true I want to document it:
Sunday, October 14, 2018 1:25 PM
Wednesday. 6 PM. Second Ward picnic in the Park! Are you available? V.
1:26 PM
maybe, thanks for the invite.
Wednesday, October 17, 2018 4:29 PM
Eric, tonight is it.
I don't usually invite and remind you like this but I remembered this time. :-)
Wednesday 6 PM second Ward picnic in the Park! Are you available? V.
4:32 PM maybe. Still working but should be done.
5:16 PM. Wonderful! V.
5:18 PM do I need to bring anything?
5:33 PM I will bring a side dish for both of us. Main dishes supplied.
5:34 PM okay thanks.
5:59 PM I'm going to shower and I'll head over, wherein the Park is it?
Brandon, that might not seem like a big deal but it is a huge deal to me. Did you notice I never responded to his last question? I was already there and you know me, I keep my ringer off. You might have noticed I never responded to his inquiries immediately either. When I went to bed that night I was spinning. I felt like my prayers and efforts had been answered. Here are some things that really meant something to me: 1- KarlT went out of his way to come say Hi to seated Eric and thank him for his work on his car. 2- I pointed out key people and told their life situations. Bishop BB, McKay Bird, Julie Moss, Jesse Bird, London and mother Robb, Brayden Hustead and wife, and on and on. I was his companion for the next ~45 minutes, he got their late. I hadn't seen his text about showering so at 6:30 I was disappointed and started to give up hope. 3- I made a sign to go with my side dish: “Ten Jalapeno Refried Beans” VernJ & EricY. I went and grabbed it 4 different times. Twice to rescue it from wilting into the moist beans and twice to show Eric and BBB. 4- Bishop Beau Barney was the perfect bishop. He walked around and shook everyone's hand and AND HE INTRODUCED HIMSELF TO ERIC and visited with him about tennis and racquet ball etc.. I was absolutely thrilled. Thank you, thank you, thank you Bishop Barney! 5- Eric's hands were shaking. I think he has picked up some kind of palsy. He is one year older than I. @I could fill a book with all that happened but suffice it to say that I was spinning as I laid down to pray that night. @ JeffB said the sister I invited to the picnic that lives in Riplinger’s old house is a nonmember and wife to Matthew Clements. Her son almost beat me to the park he was so excited to go to the picnic. She has been friendly to me and Molly so when she said Hi as I rode by on my bike I turned around and waited my turn to talk to her and invited her to the picnic. She already knew about it. But many invites make the pathway smooth. Sidecomments: a- It might have done Eric’s business some advertising to have come. B- I didn’t eat anything. C- Pres. CameronT’s generator never worked. He was instrumental in delivering serving tables etc.. d- they had 2 big split drum campfires for making smores. E- JoshB blessed the food. F- joshb and cameronT got into a lawn wrestle. H- Cameron invited me to guide him backing up the hill after his deliveries. I- Nate Bird visited with me as soon as he arrived. He was one of my 10 elders I invited. He takes Zn/Mg pill each night that puts him to sleep! I told him about Liberia being purchased on the African continent for the Blacks to be repatriated in 1820. {Liberia is a country in West Africa which was founded, established, colonized, and controlled by citizens of the United States and ex-Caribbean slaves as a colony for former African American slaves and their free black descendants. It is one of only two sovereign countries in the world that were started by citizens and ex-Caribbean slaves of a political power as a colony for former slaves of the same political power, the other being Sierra Leone, established by Great Britain. Settlement of former slaves was organised by the American Colonization Society (ACS). The mortality rate of these settlers was the highest in accurately recorded human history.[1][2] Of the 4,571 emigrants who arrived in Liberia from 1820 to 1843, only 1,819 survived until 1843.}
J- CharlieM rode his bike like I did. He works 2 days a week at the temple and 2 days a week for Satellite TV. Believe it or not he says he way undercharges for his TV visits. He is being generous on a daily basis. Tips often bless him. KimM lives off of tips working at Olive Garden. We were born a week apart so we keep close tabs on each other’s age. K- As I left 5 sisters were sitting on a blanket I passed. Joni Gardine is often friendly towards me since she taught our gospel doctrine class. I ended up kneeling and telling them my closing Sunday joke in EQ. Of course Alex Gardine topped me by saying “The Rock” got to be the rock by just doing one thing: working out for 20 years. DHO Small and simple things- was the talk Gary Caldwell taught from. By small and simple things, great things are brought to pass by the Lord. AlexG asked when he would be set apart as Pres. CT’s counselor at the beginning of Quorum. HC Emmett set him apart right then in front. Alex has a one year old son who throws a golf ball at him while he works in his home office as an attorney to get him to come play. Alex told us in his sacrament meeting testimony he is revamping his work schedule so he can play with his kids more. Everyone loved the golf ball idea. Cameron was in tears after the setting apart and was one of those who reminded us of the golf balls. Gary invited any last contributions at 1:05 before he closed the lesson. I had been waiting all class long for this opportunity. Alex was set apart today and you may have noticed he is big and complex. Pres Tolman on the other hand is small and simple. And it is through Pres Tolman that God leads this quorum. It is similar with the missionaries. Who would be converted to the church by and 18 year old? @@@ So how did I feel after making that wisecrack? GaryC mentioned to all that Alex and Cameron may want to take me out behind the chapel after church. HalD and I often make humorous comments. But not always. Sometimes we are dead serious. That was not my only funny comment that class. I love to laugh and so do many others in our quorum. But admittedly I stewed for the rest of the day about whether or not I needed to apologize. Argh! And then when I asked JodiG if AlexG had told her our closing EQ joke, I surprised myself. Did that mean I was going to feel shameful all that night as well? One more reason to be spinning. I- EricY goes rolling twice a week. It is not the same as spinning. J- There is a new water drainage contraption that has not eliminated the puddle at the bottom of the hill. Best made plans of mice and men. So funny!

Monday, October 1, 2018

Welcome to October! Only one post in September.

Monday, 10/1/18 Eight days ago I shared a weird scripture in EQ that really stood out when I read the BoM in August. Alma 1:22


19 But it came to pass that whosoever did not belong to the church of God began to persecute those that did belong to the church of God, and had taken upon them the name of Christ.


20 Yea, they did persecute them, and afflict them with all manner of words, and this because of their humility; because they were not proud in their own eyes, and because they did impart the word of God, one with another, without money and without price.


21 Now there was a strict law among the people of the church, that there should not any man, belonging to the church, arise and persecute those that did not belong to the church, and that there should be no persecution among themselves.


22 Nevertheless, there were many among them who began to be proud, and began to contend warmly with their adversaries, even unto blows; yea, they would smite one another with their fists.


@I already shared with you the other scripture which helped me and brought me great insight like the one above did not! 3N26:11 11 Behold, I was about to write them, all which were engraven upon the plates of Nephi, but the Lord forbade it, saying: I will try the faith of my people.


@I just cannot imagine the saints and the nonmembers fist fighting each other! I prepared to share this scripture as TamiS subbed for TonyR as we started Isaiah in SS yesterday but it never felt quite right. All the brothers had already heard it in EQ the week before. Hey, did you notice I said it never felt quite right? That means I limited and restricted myself. Yay, me! @ Someone liked or was interested in this blog! I had 18 views on my last post. It was probably the story about Liz Dendy.\

1]review rights
Indexing Testing <IndexingTesting@ldschurch.org>
Attachments
Sep 20, 2018, 9:56 AM (7 days ago)
to me, Howard
Dear Vern Jensen,
We appreciate your service as a reviewer. Your task is not an easy one, and it requires careful attention to detail and continual improvement. Thank you for your hard work.

A recent review of indexing processes indicates areas in which many reviewers can improve.

The attached report refers to specific feedback on some batches reviewed. The review rights have been temporarily suspended until further training is given. Elder Howard Cheney will be visiting you to do the training. After training has been provided, the rights will be reactivated.

Sincerely,

FamilySearch



2]Howard Cheney

Sep 20, 2018, 10:10 AM (7 days ago)
to Indexing, me

Thank you for this information. I will be happy to meet with Brother Jensen when I am in St. George next week.

Brother Jensen is there a time we can meet next week at the library. Possibly Thursday evening during the class?
Thank you!
Elder Cheney


3]vern jensen <phonev6@gmail.com>

Sep 20, 2018, 11:50 AM (7 days ago)
to Howard, IndexingTesting

Yes, that would be fine.
These are my current indexing and reviewing totals. It is about time they caught up to me! Ha ha. :) All of these are foreign language!! 


Whoever found my mistakes, thank you. I like to be communicated with. Good work, congratulations! I have been missing you.

4]vern jensen <phonev6@gmail.com>

Sep 20, 2018, 1:46 PM (7 days ago)
to Howard, IndexingTesting

Wait a minute!

Someone thought I was being snide. So much for teasing. They don't know my heart do they? They removed my indexing rights when I was in the middle of a batch from Italy!





Elder Marco Polo and Elder Lynn Ellsworth are indexing next to me just fine but mine is broken.


"No reviewing, no indexing. I'll show him!"


Good luck Elder Cheney, I hope I did not explode a bomb. Sincerely, Vern Jensen

5]Howard Cheney
Sep 21, 2018, 2:30 AM (6 days ago)to me

Brother Jensen,
Are both indexing and reviewing gone?
Please let me know. They as you know visited with me since they knew we know each other. Let me know and I will see if I can get the indexing rights restored immediately and then we take a look at reviewing together and discuss your process for reviewing and see if we can keep the final records as accurate and complete as possible and get your rights restored.

I appreciate your dedication and look forward to meeting with you.


6]vern jensen <phonev6@gmail.com>
Sep 21, 2018, 1:45 PM (6 days ago)
to Howard
Brother Jensen,
Are both indexing and reviewing gone?
Please let me know. Yes!
Look at the hours you keep. 2:30AM Talk about service!


As you know I spend everyday at FSC indexing and reviewing. The loss of reviewing always makes me nervous. The loss of indexing makes me start looking for a different livelihood/ business/ way of being productive. I guess if I were outlawed I would have to attend the temple everyday instead.

I had to conduct the music at a funeral at 11am today. Sorry I did not get back to you sooner.

I was surprised to have my Italian indexing, not reviewing, batch close down and be taken away midstream yesterday after I replied by email. I checked it an hour later and all it had were those red messages. I checked it 2 hours later and same thing. I checked it 24 hours later and it is the same.

! Error? I don't think so. I think it was an immediate response to my email.

I apologize for you having to run interference for me. I am glad they know that you know me. Sincerely Vern Jensen

7]Howard Cheney
Sep 21, 2018, 2:48 PM (6 days ago) to me

Brother Jensen,
You should now be able to index. I just went in and enabled your account for indexing. We do need to have a good session looking at the reviewing process and discussing the concerns they have currently.

Is there a time next week we can meet at the library and just walk through the process?

If you are there every day is there a best day or time? It does not have to be Thursday night. We just need to be able to sit together and spend some focused time.

Thanks again for hanging in there!


8]vern jensen <phonev6@gmail.com>
Sep 22, 2018, 3:27 PM (5 days ago)
to Howard
If you are there every day is there a best day or time? You name it. I'll be able to accommodate you. I know that sometimes you are in town and sometimes you are not. Vern
9]
Howard Cheney
Sep 22, 2018, 4:01 PM (5 days ago) to me

I will be in town from Tuesday on! So I could do it most anytime as long as I plan it ahead.
10]vern jensen <phonev6@gmail.com>
Sep 24, 2018, 9:40 AM (3 days ago)
to Howard
On Tuesday I will plan on working in classroom A from 9am until prayer meeting at 12:30. Then from 1 until I get tired. The same on Wednesday. etc.Thank you. You have been so encouraging.
11]Howard Cheney
Sep 25, 2018, 2:17 PM (2 days ago) to me
Vern,
Are you still at the Library? If so I will
head there now. If not I will stop by tomorrow.
Thanks!
Elder Cheney
12]vern jensen <phonev6@gmail.com> Sep 25, 2018, 6:16 PM (2 days ago) to Howard
Wednesday I get to babysit in the morning. How about after 1 pm?
13]Howard Cheney Sep 26, 2018, 9:55 AM (1 day ago) to me
That will be great! See you today after 1:00 not sure exactly when but within an hour or so.
Thank you!
14]vern jensen <phonev6@gmail.com> Sep 26, 2018, 12:33 PM (23 hours ago) to Howard
That works for me. I am here. :)
15]Howard Cheney
Sep 26, 2018, 9:03 PM (15 hours ago) to me Vern,
I want you to know how much I appreciate your dedication and your humility in what could have been a very challenging situation. Some would have been offended and just quite.
You are a great man and one I have learned to think very highly of! Thank you sincerely for all your efforts.
If you would not mind could you share with me the ten points you had written up for me?
Regardless thanks again for your efforts and your willingness to modify your approach to match the instructions we are given!
16]vern jensen 12:15 PM (4 minutes ago) to Howard

EHC, Thank you for being so sensitive and understanding. The anticipation was hard but the experience was joyful. I love sharing and you provided an atmosphere of acceptance.

I am flattered that what I wrote had enough meaning you would like a copy. You are so welcome. And once again, thank you.

I wanted to say one other previous guideline I used to speed me up: If there was one record missing I completed it, if there were two records missing I returned them to be reindexed. I figured the person reindexing may not be able to find one single record that was missed but they better be able to find two. :)

Saturday, 9/22/2018
Ideas:
- My intent has never been malicious, in fact I was abhorrent when I found 65 /70 batches marked <unreadable> in Uruguay passenger list project (Feb). [it is still available!]
- I have been treated courteously, so courteously and respectfully every time by Elder Cheney and at least I was warned by email this time when my reviewing rights were withdrawn. That did not happen the first time (March) and it did not happen when my indexing rights were removed after I responded by email, (Wednesday, 9/18/18).
- I have worked extremely hard to help in indexing the last 3 years in Italy and this year reviewing in Spanish.
- I would be happy to submit to whatever consequences I need to for all the mistakes I have made.
- I pray everyday about indexing and I visit with HF in prayer regularly as I index and review. He knows my heart and if this guidance is his way of helping me I welcome it. I would love to be an asset and not a liability.
- I hate to cause problems. I have tried to pass positives along to Elder Cheney and everyone around me who indexes. There is no way I ever want to impose on anyone. Perhaps that has been a problem. (by asking more questions I may have learned more.)
- It took months before I was successful with my first batch in Italian. GREEN & YELLOW notebooks.
- I do fight depression and anxiety. Meds. So when I get in trouble it affects me for days and weeks! I am so sorry to cause problems. Please forgive me.
- I know you have to work with all kinds of strange saints. I am one of those. :)

Other Older Stuff: 6/7/18
Idea:
Elder Cheney’s engineers told him that any changes made while reviewing are NOT preserved if it is sent back to reindex. Only indexers work is preserved.

Strange cross check: could we use the share a batch application to check after sending back for reindexing some changes made by the reviewer?
(Too much time on my hands. . . .)
12/19/17
Last Thursday I asked how indexed work is used.
I was told it is just an index so people can go to the original record and get all the information.
I was probably mistaken in my understanding. I thought name extraction provided names for the temple. When they asked me to index to get ready for the opening of the Rome temple I thought I was getting names ready for the temple. I guess not.
So I like to understand! Is it true that indexing does not provide names directly for the temple like name extraction did?
~~~

I did a good job organizing these materials. This indexer baptized every single person in every single record! From one page they got 20 entries! So strange! The record/paste below is the top entry from that page.
~~~
1/10/18
Baptism record and the indexer records birthdays instead. Should they be reindexed?(Changed/fixed?)
In my opinion, no. Explanation for my answer:
The descendant can change what they want when they look up the record.





1/11/18 I showed this to Elder Belnap. :( (1/15 batches done right)







Vandalism


Sabotage



3/3/18 About one in 10 is RV in Argentina parte c

Tuesday, August 21, 2018

Hey, this is the promised land! Where did all these other people come from?-Nephi



Tues. 8/21 Good morning Brandon, How do you tell the difference between food poisoning and a heart attack? I am sharing a hidden secret with you. I have wondered if I have had minor heart attacks or twinges for the last few years. Besides fighting depression and allergies, heartburn from overeating at night and perhaps gall bladder squeaks, this fear of heart attacks burdens me. @ I have been dragging my but for weeks. By hopping in the car and getting to FS at 9 am I have avoided trying to figure out how to start each day while feeling depressed. So many things seem to overwhelm me. I was supposed to drive over to Harrisburg Estates to pick up a tank and fish from Pam, Amber’s Petsmart client. I vented my anxiety into changing the water in my 3 biggest tanks and then knew that sitting down in the house would just discourage me further. I went out to my hammock and prayed and sang and told HF why I was there. It worked. In 10 minutes I had the courage to get ready and drive to the north side of Quail Creek reservoir where you may find Harrisburg estates. I drove home, arranged the fish and napped the rest of the day. I felt like food poisoning from the 2 chicken thighs I had cooked and eaten Friday night. I prayed about it Saturday night and recognized I felt sick enough to miss church. I felt a little better Sunday morning and eventually got ready for church. Monday I was sick again. No FS either Saturday nor Monday. I stopped watering my back bermuda grass lawn a couple of months ago. Little did I realize that my huge sycamore tree could dry up and die! My yard is covered with sycamore leaves and it is only August! How stupid! My 2 big goals yesterday were to rake the leaves from the back lawn and bike to FS. I water the back lawn overnight to let the water penetrate and the sprayers aren’t fast. I watered it all night last night. Horray! And I biked to FS this morning! Horray. I have let my physical fitness go downhill. By biking and walking to FS I should improve. I have taken my first step. @ I have listened to the whole BoM up to 3N this last week. So although depressed, I have used my sitting around time. I repeat chapters when I miss something. I have never done it this fast before. Over and over again the bad kings and judges accuse the prophet of blasphemy for saying Christ would be born and come down and live among men! So fascinating. @ The cities and lands and towns are better known to me than ever before. When they say north and south and east and west I can imagine which city they will come to next, almost. John Sorenson’s books have blessed me. @ I have felt like giving up on my goal of a million. Too boring! Reviewing is so boring! @ When EHChenney was here last week I was able to find out how to get our stake leader the foreign language report from the church! That was a big accomplishment. @ Live and learn. Trust and try. Onward and upward. See you later. 3:09pm My good author John L Sorenson says: Archaeological evidence from all New World areas where the early Nephites and Lamanites could have lived makes clear that peoples who descended from the Jaredite era also lived during the time of Lehi’s descendants. Given Laman and Lemuel’s ambition to rule, perhaps they or their descendants ruled over and absorbed such “natives.” Nephite record keepers perhaps did not know the details of that process, but that is the best explanation that I know of for the remarkable growth in the number of Lamanites.


@SEPTEMBER 1992 I HAVE HEARD THAT THE SIZES OF THE NEPHITE AND LAMANITE POPULATIONS INDICATED IN THE BOOK OF MORMON DO NOT MAKE SENSE. WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THEIR NUMBERS?
John L. Sorenson, professor of anthropology, emeritus, Brigham Young University, and Gospel Doctrine teacher, Edgemont Seventh Ward, Provo Utah Edgemont South Stake. Discussions of this topic tend to one extreme or the other. Some people have made invalid assumptions about possible rates of natural increase among Lehi’s descendants. For example, growth rates derived from modern population studies are useless if they refer to conditions unlike those prevailing in Book of Mormon times. We have no way of knowing whether the newcomers had trouble adapting to the climate and new foods. Nor do we know what diseases afflicted the people at that time. On the other hand, we get nowhere by speculating on unknowable things like a doubling of population every generation among the early immigrants.

Although the Book of Mormon is silent on population growth and decline as such, it does provide glimpses of how the numbers were growing. For example, the data on armies and battle casualties indicate quite consistent growth.

An obvious puzzle is how the Lamanites could have become so much more numerous than the Nephites. The early Lamanites are pictured as being dependent on hunting; the Nephites, on farming. (See 2 Ne. 5:11, 24.) Although it is a certain rule in population studies that hunting groups cannot support nearly as many people as can farmers, more than two hundred years later the Nephite record says the Lamanites were “exceedingly more numerous” (Jarom 1:6) than the Nephites, and that pattern continues all along. Simple natural increase by births cannot account for this difference.

The same problem surfaces in Alma 43:14 where we learn that the Amulonites were “as numerous, nearly, as were the Nephites.” And yet the Amulonites had begun less than seventy years earlier when Noah’s priests carried off Lamanite women to be their wives. (See Mosiah 20.)

The answers to such puzzles must lie in situations beyond normal population growth. In this regard, the case of the early Nephites is helpful. Mosiah, father of Benjamin, fled the land of Nephi sometime before 200 B.C. with “as many as would hearken unto the voice of the Lord.” (Omni 1:13.) The record implies that only a part of the Nephites existing at that time went with Mosiah to Zarahemla.

Jarom 1:13 had already mentioned dissensions from the Nephites, no later than 360 B.C. The dissenters, like later ones, could have settled among the Lamanites, swelling their numbers while reducing the size of the Nephite group. Also, after Mosiah’s refugees went to Zarahemla, some of the Nephites left behind may have joined the Lamanites, for no further mention is made of them (unless they became the Amalekites, referred to in Alma 43:13 as dissenters but having an unexplained origin).

Archaeological evidence from all New World areas where the early Nephites and Lamanites could have lived makes clear that peoples who descended from the Jaredite era also lived during the time of Lehi’s descendants. Given Laman and Lemuel’s ambition to rule, perhaps they or their descendants ruled over and absorbed such “natives.” Nephite record keepers perhaps did not know the details of that process, but that is the best explanation that I know of for the remarkable growth in the number of Lamanites.

The case of the numerous Amulonites can be explained on similar grounds—taking control over a resident population.

An interesting note is that some such natives might have lived with or near the early Nephites. Notice that when Sherem “came … among the people of Nephi” (within the lifetime of Jacob, Lehi’s son), he “sought much opportunity” to meet Jacob. (See Jacob 7:1–3.) Yet, the entire population descended from the original Nephites could not have exceeded a hundred adults by that time. In such a tiny tribe, why had Sherem not already met Jacob—unless he was from a foreign group that had come under the rule of the Nephite king?[Wow, great point!-v]
These cases teach us that there is simply not enough information in the scriptural record to construct a clear picture of Nephite and Lamanite population sizes over time. Nor can we estimate with surety how war, famine, dissensions, contentions, and other factors affected population growth. In short, our presently limited record discourages any attempt to interpret Nephite or Lamanite population history.

Yet there is no reason to question the population numbers in the Book of Mormon. They are all believable once we recognize some of the historical and biological factors that could have been involved. @@@Here’s another set of interesting paragraphs from: www.fairmormon.org


Another benefit of economic prosperity is that there is often a large net immigration. When the Romans conquered the southern part of Great Britain, they brought with them both their rule of law and adequate technology to spark economic growth. As a result, the population of that part of the island skyrocketed, as not only Romans joined the native Britons in search of opportunity, barbarians from non-Roman parts of Britain immigrated and mingled with the local population. As Roman power declined, they withdrew from that island, and thus, the population fell there, as both Roman law and markets were lost.37


The United States of America, the wealthiest nation ever to exist in human history,38 has been the world’s number one recipient of immigrants throughout its history.39 During each decade from 1850 through 1910, about ten percent of the recorded population of the United States had immigrated during the previous decade.40 As late as 1930, more than ten percent of the people were foreign born.41 Up to three-fourths of the American people during that era were either immigrants or the children of immigrants.42 [What? No kidding? That sounds impossible!]Thus, it is not unreasonable that 25% of the combined Nephite and Lamanite populations would have been born outside of areas controlled by these two powers, and there is no reason to exclude other immigrant populations, as www.josephlied.com does.43 The economic opportunity that the Book of Mormon ascribes to both the Nephites and Lamanites tends to draw large numbers of immigrants into their societies.


The Book of Mormon gives ample room to suppose that the Nephites absorbed other groups into their civilization. First of all, contrary to the implication at www.josephlied.com,44 there were other Jaredite survivors besides Coriantumr;45 the Prophet Ether survived those wars.46 Secondly, the Nephite record certainly allows for other groups immigrating under direction of the Lord,47 and explicitly states that the Nephites will be mixed with other peoples.48 The latter may suffice to explain why Jewish-type DNA is so rare among indigenous peoples of the western hemisphere.49 With a steady stream of immigrants arriving in Nephite and Lamanite territory in search of the economic opportunity afforded by the Israelite-type legal system, other races could easily overwhelm the Israelites in the general population, even though Israelites might remain the governing class. In this sense, Lehi could still be said to be the “principal ancestor” of the ancient American peoples. It also appears that while the civilizations were destroyed, not necessarily all of the people died.50


Considering that (conservatively) twenty-five percent of the population were either “foreign born” or children of immigrants, it is reasonable that more than 490,000 people were living in the Nephite and Lamanite areas by 150 B.C. (more than enough to accommodate the thousands of dead mentioned in Mosiah 9:18-19).51 It is also plausible that more than seven million people were alive at the time of Jesus Christ’s mortal ministry.52 Even assuming only a “tithe” of survivors (more than 700,000) of the catastrophes described in 3 Nephi 8-11, a population of up to 100 million by AD 350 is not beyond reason. This figure is more than sufficient to sustain the hundreds of thousands of Nephite dead during the “Battle of Cumorah.”53


Thus, the mingling of healthy and wealthy Israelite blood with indigenous and other immigrant peoples makes the “multitudes” claimed by the Book of Mormon quite appropriate. amor@@ I have been keeping track of some of the numbers. Nephi and Lehi converted tens of thousands of Lamanites! What? Where did they all come from? Answer: absorption. Fascinating!