Friday, July 17, 2015

bps53 a decade long prayer- psyche up!

Friday, noon, 7/17/15 Hello Brandon L Tom Perry Joseph Smith, I think you are wonderful and I know, know, KNOW someones who love you. Someones! Ask and it shall be given. Knock and it shall be opened unto you. Let me remind you of a little story I have shared before. @ It takes me forever to get answers to my prayers! So I decided I was going to stick to one need until it was answered. I wrote it on a postcard and put it on my window sill face down. Kathyx didn't know what it was but I know and God knew. The answer never came. I labored and sweat and stressed and had an aching back shoulder and neck from my efforts, week after week, month after month, year after year. I worked at Denny's waiting tables in my forties trying to make ends meet. I got fired at Denny's south because I went to a therapy appointment with Mark Clayton and left my dead/super slow station to the server next to me. I personally would have loved to have double the work. The manager was gone when I needed to go so I passed the word along and left. Back in those days I was extremely shy to impose in any way. Came back to work after a grueling therapy appointment and was told, you are gone. You are outta here! @I went and saw my brother in law, the owner and he said, sorry, I have to support my lady manager. The manager had been chaffing under my efforts for a long time as it turned out. She felt like she had been doing me favors since the beginning. But I didn't know that. Why should this guy get extra privileges like progress up the seniority ladder when he only works once a week and has not worked as many 11-7am graveyard shifts as everyone else? Beside that he is old, older than me, teaches school and thinks he is smarter than me, never takes a break to go out and have a smoke, and doesn't drink coffee to get himself revved up and going? And he even wants Sunday mornings off so he can go to church. As you can see it was a match made in heaven. She was blonde, single mom, black teenage son who mooned people out the school bus window and was proud of him, of course. @ I struggled, even working for free at the temple on the grounds crew so that I would keep up my working mindset and muscles. @ A month later I got a job at Denny's North instead of south. Still owned by my B-I-Law but different managers. Wow, was the atmosphere ever different. The managers were friendly and human. They might have been a little put off by my age. I know the customers were often shocked. But I hung in there as best I could. I rode my bike most of the time to save gas, stay in shape, and decompress/ de-stress. @ A time came when I heard of a custodian opening at Bhelementary School right across the street from Desert hills where I was teaching and I applied and got it. The principal was leaving and a 5th grade teacher was taking it on. It was a million times better than serving tables at Denny's and it was convenient, right across the street. It was a 30 minute walk to school and then work every night and morning. I was fighting undiagnosed depression so walking and exercise were my lifeline. My financial concerns were not alleviated but I was making my best effort and HF seemed to have blessed me bit by bit. @ So now that I have told the story in a new way can you remember/ guess what I wrote on that index card and prayed for consistently for over a decade? I attended the temple still, once a week and kept attending all my meetings at church. Did my home teaching every month. Wrote in my journal and read scriptures everyday and prayed. [Although, I didn't know then how to visit with the Lord.] I took care of my wife and 3 boys and 3 girls to the best of my ability and what was the result? Well the result was. . . That my conscience was clear in that area. I was doing all I could. And I love the feeling of doing all you reasonably can! By attending the temple each week I had told HF that my wife's emotional, psychological needs were over my head, and I had turned my life over to him. As you know I recorded the names I proxied for in the back of my journal each week. Yep, I still have all those years of names. @ I turned 60 yesterday. I have been looking back at my life and reminiscing for the last 2 years since my retirement. Did I sacrifice and do all I thought I could? Mostly. Am I satisfied with my home and 18K$ income every month? Man, you better believe it! I was not expecting this. How did it happen? I have accidently talked with 6 of my 11 kids in the last 24 hours. (birthday) What I wrote on that index card was -finances- . Isn't that the major concern of fathers of families in this life? As I have shared on occasion in EQ I have discovered that Tim Adams, a psych at the VA office has prayed and fasted for the same thing with his wife and they were blessed as well. She doesn't even attend church very often. But God still blessed them. @ OK Brandon, I have come full circle. Don't forget what you are praying for. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. Even if you think it is an imaginary treasure! I wasn't worthy to receive the Lord's blessings and guidance, but he blessed and guided me anyway. Did I ask, even though unworthy? Yes! I had to. I needed his help. I did my best and he blessed. My best might be better or worse than some one elses. But there is no comparison. If we remember him, He remembers us! It is that simple. So whose team would you rather sign up on? The one who abandons or the one who accompanies? Give me the one that accompanies, please! Every time! And lead us not into temptation, should really say, and lead us through or around temptation. And deliver us from evil, yes please deliver us from the evil our physical natures magnetically seek! We are here learning to help our spirits learn and exercise mastery over our bodies. Once again, it is that simple. Are we expected to fail? Yep, absolutely. Otherwise we would need no grace! So are we loved even in our sins. Yes! My last son Michael'92 has not attended church in two years. How has that affected my love? It hasn't. And HF loves us so much more. His love is a perfect love. It never ends. WE can never repulse him. He will never be grossed out nor repulsed by us. But he has to be invited! Keep inviting Brandon. Never stop inviting him into your life. @ If at the end of your life you are able to look back and see a long, long, long dark tunnel and you know you never stopped inviting the Lord into your life. . . the length of that tunnel will represent your loyalty to God! How loyal can you and will you be? It will represent your trust in God. How long can you trust? How did you get here anyway? Was this all an accident or is it God's plan of salvation? It is that simple Brandon. It is not an accident. There is a loving, planning, God. Do you think the apostles deceive us? Listen to this one:Why Marriage, Why Family @D. Todd Christofferson, April 2015 General Conference @ There came a time in this premortal existence of spirits when, in furtherance of His desire that we “could have a privilege to advance like himself,”  our Heavenly Father prepared an enabling plan.  @ An enabling plan! Let Him enable you. Keep your face turned towards him. Tell him when times are hard. If everyday is hard tell him. Don't turn your face away. Don't make flesh your arm. If you are depressed, tell him, even everyday. But then serve your brothers and sisters in some way and exercise and take good care of this physical body he has given us. Then tell him of your efforts. YOU might not hear him but He and I will be cheering you on. I might not hear about your efforts until the next life, fe, fe, life, but even so, it doesn't matter to me. It matters to you and Him. I don't mind waiting for the results. I have been patient before. Even patient for a decade. And one decade follows another. :) @ Brandon, do you feel spiritually fed yet? If not go read the scriptures and pray. :) @ New topic. Here is the letter and talk I wrote Jpaul'68 and sent him and my kids and my JHS class president. ~~ @ ~~From: vern jensen [mailto:phonev6@gmail.com] @Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 1:46 PM @To: Junius Jensen @Subject: Over the top @Hey J Paul, you are so awesome. This is so much fun. I love to share and to have a reason to share is a blast for me. @this means new paragraph. Yesterday when I was at the Family Research Library the two people in the lunch/break room asked how I was doing. I responded, Excellent. Sister Bolivia responded, You are the only one who is excellent, in her Spanish accent. I have been thinking about that ever since. Was I really excellent? Why do I often respond like that when I am happy inside? In fact the truth was that it was too noisy so I was headed home to work instead. When I got home I made terrible progress on my current Italian Indexing Death Certificate batch. The clerk/scribe's handwriting is atrocious. I spent 2 hours on it and I am still not done with the 20 certificates. A well written batch can be completed in 30 minutes when I am rolling. I felt a bit empty and lost and needing some rich intelligent fodder to chew on. I found some and fed on over a hundred pages of mother Smith's autobiography. @ That is just an example of the fight / challenge I deal with from a traumatic childhood and when I forget my paxil-paroxetine / antidepressant. @ As I have mentioned before we have General Conference every 6 months. So not only do we have 4 canons of scripture we have biyearly living scripture available. Most of us love listening to some of the sessions of conference once and are glad we had no meetings on that day. A day off from teaching classes or being the bishop or what ever our church calling is. @ I am different than most people. I have listened/ to general conference talks over and over again for years/ decades. They lift me and nourish me and give me the foundation and reassurance I need. They also give me something trustworthy and intelligent to chew on. @ It took me over a year to listen and watch all the conferences from '71 to '15 after my retirement. I was at a low point in my life and wanted to be lifted and spiritually fed. I have over 5k highlights I have saved from that study and when I would lose attention and focus or fall asleep, no big deal, I could just listen again. I do it for the daily nourishment I need. Living scriptures or dead scriptures, I love and ponder them both. @ So this talk by DTC is one I have listened to probably 30 or 40 times. I love it. He is a new apostle and I don't know him very well yet. He has probably only been an apostle for 10 years. That is what I mean by new. : ) This talk is so rich with gospel truth after gospel truth. I fully recommend it. I would like to put it in double columns and comment on many of the paragraphs. You and I have talked about the premortal existence. He covers it again and with different angles and insights. We have talked about grace and he touches on it. We have only talked a little about keeping the commandments, and the celestial kingdom, and families. Families are a very common theme in conference. Parents teaching and guiding their children and the glorious responsibility of raising Heavenly Father's children, our spiritual brothers and sisters is a mainstay. But notice DTC approach on marriage. Powerful! But personally I think you will enjoy the pre-existence the best. As I have said, that is a theme I love to hear and haven't ever tired of. @ Incidently today is my 60th! The Jared Bates family is heading out on vacation and asked me to take care of their dog, Rosco. I have done it about 5 times so far. She says they have ripe peaches! Yes! She brought me a helium balloon and a treat and a schedule which I asked for on Sunday. Crazy s a i n t s! It has been decades since someone have me a helium balloon! 1:36pm @Why Marriage, Why Family @Of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles @A family built on the marriage of a man and woman supplies the best setting for God’s plan to thrive. @Above the Great West Door of the renowned Westminster Abbey in London, England, stand the statues of 10 Christian martyrs of the 20th century. Included among them is Dietrich Bonhoeffer, a brilliant German theologian born in 1906.1 Bonhoeffer became a vocal critic of the Nazi dictatorship and its treatment of Jews and others. He was imprisoned for his active opposition and finally executed in a concentration camp. Bonhoeffer was a prolific writer, and some of his best-known pieces are letters that sympathetic guards helped him smuggle out of prison, later published as Letters and Papers from Prison. @One of those letters was to his niece before her wedding. It included these significant insights: “Marriage is more than your love for each other. … In your love you see only your two selves in the world, but in marriage you are a link in the chain of the generations, which God causes to come and to pass away to his glory, and calls into his kingdom. In your love you see only the heaven of your own happiness, but in marriage you are placed at a post of responsibility towards the world and mankind. Your love is your own private possession, but marriage is more than something personal—it is a status, an office. Just as it is the crown, and not merely the will to rule, that makes the king, so it is marriage, and not merely your love for each other, that joins you together in the sight of God and man. … So love comes from you, but marriage from above, from God.”@In what way does marriage between a man and a woman transcend their love for one another and their own happiness to become “a post of responsibility towards the world and mankind”? In what sense does it come “from above, from God”? To understand, we have to go back to the beginning.@ Prophets have revealed that we first existed as intelligences and that we were given form, or spirit bodies, by God, thus becoming His spirit children—sons and daughters of heavenly parents.3 There came a time in this premortal existence of spirits when, in furtherance of His desire that we “could have a privilege to advance like himself,”4 our Heavenly Father prepared an enabling plan. In the scriptures it is given various names, including “the plan of salvation,”5 “the great plan of happiness,”6 and “the plan of redemption.”7 The two principal purposes of the plan were explained to Abraham in these words: @“And there stood one among them that was like unto God, and he said unto those who were with him: We will go down, for there is space there, and we will take of these materials, and we will make an earth whereon these [spirits] may dwell; @“And we will prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them; @“And they who keep their first estate shall be added upon; … and they who keep their second estate shall have glory added upon their heads for ever and ever.”@Thanks to our Heavenly Father, we had already become spirit beings. Now He was offering us a path to complete or perfect that being. The addition of the physical element is essential to the fulness of being and glory that God Himself enjoys. If, while with God in the premortal spirit world, we would agree to participate in His plan—or in other words “keep [our] first estate”—we would “be added upon” with a physical body as we came to dwell on the earth that He created for us. @If, then in the course of our mortal experience, we chose to “do all things whatsoever the Lord [our] God [should] command [us],” we would have kept our “second estate.” This means that by our choices we would demonstrate to God (and to ourselves) our commitment and capacity to live His celestial law while outside His presence and in a physical body with all its powers, appetites, and passions. Could we bridle the flesh so that it became the instrument rather than the master of the spirit? Could we be trusted both in time and eternity with godly powers, including power to create life? Would we individually overcome evil? Those who did would “have glory added upon their heads for ever and ever”—a very significant aspect of that glory being a resurrected, immortal, and glorified physical body. No wonder we “shouted for joy” at these magnificent possibilities and promises. @At least four things are needed for the success of this divine plan: @First was the Creation of the earth as our dwelling place. Whatever the details of the creation process, we know that it was not accidental but that it was directed by God the Father and implemented by Jesus Christ—“all things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”@Second is the condition of mortality. Adam and Eve acted for all who had chosen to participate in the Father’s great plan of happiness. Their Fall created the conditions needed for our physical birth and for mortal experience and learning outside the presence of God. With the Fall came an awareness of good and evil and the God-given power to choose.13 Finally, the Fall brought about physical death needed to make our time in mortality temporary so that we would not live forever in our sins. @Third is redemption from the Fall. We see the role of death in our Heavenly Father’s plan, but that plan would become void without some way to overcome death in the end, both physical and spiritual. Thus, a Redeemer, the Only Begotten Son of God, Jesus Christ, suffered and died to atone for Adam and Eve’s transgression, thereby providing resurrection and immortality for all. And since none of us will have been perfectly and consistently obedient to the gospel law, His Atonement also redeems us from our own sins on condition of repentance. With the Savior’s atoning grace providing forgiveness of sins and sanctification of the soul, we can spiritually be born again and reconciled to God. Our spiritual death—our separation from God—will end. @Fourth, and finally, is the setting for our physical birth and subsequent spiritual rebirth into the kingdom of God. For His work to succeed to “[exalt us] with himself,” God ordained that men and women should marry and give birth to children, thereby creating, in partnership with God, the physical bodies that are key to the test of mortality and essential to eternal glory with Him. He also ordained that parents should establish families and rear their children in light and truth,17 leading them to a hope in Christ. The Father commands us: “Teach these things freely unto your children, saying: @“That … inasmuch as ye were born into the world by water, and blood, and the spirit, which I have made, and so became of dust a living soul, even so ye must be born again into the kingdom of heaven, of water, and of the [Holy] Spirit, and be cleansed by blood, even the blood of mine Only Begotten; that ye might be sanctified from all sin, and enjoy the words of eternal life in this world, and eternal life in the world to come, even immortal glory.”@ Knowing why we left the presence of our Heavenly Father and what it takes to return and be exalted with Him, it becomes very clear that nothing relative to our time on earth can be more important than physical birth and spiritual rebirth, the two prerequisites of eternal life. This is, to use the words of Dietrich Bonhoeffer, the “office” of marriage, the “post of responsibility towards … mankind,” that this divine institution “from above, from God” occupies. It is the “link in the chain of the generations” both here and hereafter—the order of heaven. @A family built on the marriage of a man and woman supplies the best setting for God’s plan to thrive—the setting for the birth of children, who come in purity and innocence from God, and the environment for the learning and preparation they will need for a successful mortal life and eternal life in the world to come. A critical mass of families built on such marriages is vital for societies to survive and flourish. That is why communities and nations generally have encouraged and protected marriage and the family as privileged institutions. It has never been just about the love and happiness of adults. @The social science case for marriage and for families headed by a married man and woman is compelling.19And so “we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets.”20 But our claims for the role of marriage and family rest not on social science but on the truth that they are God’s creation. It is He who in the beginning created Adam and Eve in His image, male and female, and joined them as husband and wife to become “one flesh” and to multiply and replenish the earth. Each individual carries the divine image, but it is in the matrimonial union of male and female as one that we attain perhaps the most complete meaning of our having been made in the image of God—male and female. Neither we nor any other mortal can alter this divine order of matrimony. It is not a human invention. Such marriage is indeed “from above, from God” and is as much a part of the plan of happiness as the Fall and the Atonement. @In the premortal world, Lucifer rebelled against God and His plan, and his opposition only grows in intensity. He fights to discourage marriage and the formation of families, and where marriages and families are formed, he does what he can to disrupt them. He attacks everything that is sacred about human sexuality, tearing it from the context of marriage with a seemingly infinite array of immoral thoughts and acts. He seeks to convince men and women that marriage and family priorities can be ignored or abandoned, or at least made subservient to careers, other achievements, and the quest for self-fulfillment and individual autonomy. Certainly the adversary is pleased when parents neglect to teach and train their children to have faith in Christ and be spiritually born again. Brothers and sisters, many things are good, many are important, but only a few are essential. @To declare the fundamental truths relative to marriage and family is not to overlook or diminish the sacrifices and successes of those for whom the ideal is not a present reality. Some of you are denied the blessing of marriage for reasons including a lack of viable prospects, same-sex attraction, physical or mental impairments, or simply a fear of failure that, for the moment at least, overshadows faith. Or you may have married, but that marriage ended, and you are left to manage alone what two together can barely sustain. Some of you who are married cannot bear children despite overwhelming desires and pleading prayers. @Even so, everyone has gifts; everyone has talents; everyone can contribute to the unfolding of the divine plan in each generation. Much that is good, much that is essential—even sometimes all that is necessary for now—can be achieved in less than ideal circumstances. So many of you are doing your very best. And when you who bear the heaviest burdens of mortality stand up in defense of God’s plan to exalt His children, we are all ready to march. With confidence we testify that the Atonement of Jesus Christ has anticipated and, in the end, will compensate all deprivation and loss for those who turn to Him. No one is predestined to receive less than all that the Father has for His children. @One young mother recently confided to me her anxiety about being inadequate in this highest of callings. I felt that the issues that concerned her were small and she needn’t worry; she was doing fine. But I knew she only wanted to please God and to honor His trust. I offered words of reassurance, and in my heart I pleaded that God, her Heavenly Father, would buoy her up with His love and the witness of His approval as she is about His work. @That is my prayer for all of us today. May we each find approval in His sight. May marriages flourish and families prosper, and whether our lot is a fulness of these blessings in mortality or not, may the Lord’s grace bring happiness now and faith in sure promises to come. In the name of Jesus Christ, amen. @~~~ Brandon, I have not sucked that talk dry yet and you probably haven't either. Did you notice that besides my nonmember cousin I also sent it to all my kids. I figured they may internalize it again if I sent it on my 60th birthday! Sneaky, sneaky. Did you notice I also sent it to my Jordan High School Class president of 1973? This is her response:Carol Lee Coy @to me Vern, @Your life is definitely tied to the Lord and in this he is well pleased. @Food for thought: When I am depressed I take a garbage sack out for a walk and clean my neighborhood. I’m doing something productive for others, clearing my head and exercising at the same time. During this time I have a wonderful conversation with the Lord and I count my blessings. However blessing counting usually always comes last. Sometimes I take hymns along with me to enjoy. And finally I try to remember I am a child of God and he loves me, which is also a blessing to count. ~~@~~ Hey Brandon, did that sound familiar? Service, exercise, de-stressing, prayer, hymns. What do you think? Might this be a magic formula? Just don't let Satan fool you that what good will any of that do? Today, is a day of eternity. We can't see much of the eternal past, nor can we see any of the eternal future, but we can trust. We can have faith. We can be loyal. @ 1:48pm @@ 1:48pm @7/18, 1:51pmHello Brandon, so how did I do? Was that the best psyche up letter you have ever received. When I began that was not my intent. But I was so full of the spirit that I just let it flow and flow and flow! Personally, I think it is the best psyche up letter I have ever written. But like my therapist says, if we really accepted ourselves we would discover that we are our favorite people to be with and if we met someone just like us we would hit it off as BFF's. Best friends forever! It seemed like such a stuck up concept when I heard it! But I have grown into it. I like it. And I like me, most of the time.
This is an example of a last name I am super proud to have figured out. It is an italian last name/ surname. It starts with an M o. It ends with a c a. The middle letter is a di. Yep, this scribe/clerk is very sloppy or efficient! Whichever way you want to say it. By the way, Look what I did! A new experiment! I pasted an Italian Indexing name on your post card. Yes. @ The familiy history center has had a marathon week. All the missionaries dressed up in their running uniforms and a class has been taught every hour and the indexed names counted and totaled every day.Their goal was 5K names. Sister Forsythe, dear little friendly sister Forsythe encouraged me to do my best last Saturday. I was standing in front of the posterboard with the goal written on it and each day listed and a grand total black at the bottom. I predicted 5k was too low. We would get at least 10 k I told her. We ended up with 30k!!! Yes! I turned my results sheet in on Tuesday predicting 400 for the week. 80/day. They kept it. But I have had difficult writing to try to decipher.If your guard cuts of the stamp then you won't see the first copy of that surname. Just another clever option I thought of. My therapist called me clever one time and I have tried to use the word at least once a year ever since. Which reminds me. @ UEA/WCEA called me this week and asked if I was going to pay my membership dues this year. I explained I retired in '13 but continued paying my dues because I was getting legal help for clearing my teaching certificate. FERPA hung me! I called her and explained that when I tried to contact Sue Porter twice last year (my assistant for legal help) she did not reply. Her husband was in the hospital etc.. So since it has been a year without assistance I have given up on teaching at the secondary level. She understood the very first time I explained it. I told her how pleasant it was to speak to someone so bright and intelligent/ understanding. I was so impressed. It was the total opposite of talking with the bankers, Wells Fargo and US bank I have dealt with lately. And if you think that is bad you should try the Puerto Rican and Indian Walmart or Sprint telephone assistants!!!! It is like talking to molasses. You would absolutely not believe the worldwide assistants they have nowadays! They get cheap foreign labor to answer all their phones for them! Perhaps it is a way of filtering the patient, persistent people from the urgent, impatient ones. I have spent 40 plus minutes on the phone multiple times trying to resolve problems and understand the speaker. Times have changed Brandon since you got into the pen. I went to lins grocery store in Santa Clara yesterday. The STAR weekly headline showed a beautiful blonde woman and a beautiful toothy brunette woman saying they have fallen in love (and it showed another picture of them kissing) “And they both used to be men.” I picked it up and had to show 3 different people before I could get it out of my system! H I l l a r I o u s! ! BTW, did you notice my spell corrector automatically capitalizes a single I by itself! There were two of them in hilarious. JaniceV, my best BOM teacher has an angle. “Isn't it cool to live in the last days, while we watch everything fall apart!” How do you like that point of view, Brandon? @ My Oldest son, Louis'80 held a celebration brunch for their 1 year old, Grace'14 born on my birthday, 7/16. Bonnie's sister was there with her little one year old illegitimate daughter. They are both stacked and thin and pixie faced brunettes. But there is Louis in his doctors/ rich mans house, temple sealing, tithing current two child family, and there is Bonnie's sister without. The difference in living gospel values and not. And even if Louis were alone and poor and 60 and living the gospel like I am he could still be confident in the presence of god and happy. So once again Brandon, accompanied or abandoned? Which do you choose? Even IF your company is in heaven. GBY-BltpjS-vj













Sunday, July 12, 2015

byu ce

Sunday, July 12, 2015, 2:35pm


Hey Byuce, I sure miss you.


Last week Quinn Carter needed a blessing and as Eric and I left he said, Aren't you glad you've got your home teaching done for this month! Cute huh!


So since I don't see you I am going to write you. I hope you don't mind.


I am not sure if I should write you many short ones or a few big honkin' long ones. For now I will try to keep it short. 85 words so far.


The bishop has a staph infection on his leg! He is in a lot of pain. Bishop Quincy Adams lives just 4 houses up the street from you. I felt so sorry for him at church. We stood for the rest song in sacrament meeting and he couldn't stand because when he tried it hurt so bad that he sat back down. I was sitting right behind him leading the music so I saw him shake his head to his new counselor Kim Garrett.


He read a letter to us from the quorum of the 12 and first presidency at the beginning of SS. It was quite long but he prefaced it by saying he would keep moving because he was in so much pain.


I have a nephew who turned his thumbnail picture rainbow on Facebook showing his support of scotus' ruling about same sex marriages. He unrainbowed it this week and a couple of girls teased him about how out of date his picture was. One even told him he should be proud of his man bun. I had to google that one to find out what it was. I was worried.


As Bishop QA read the letter from HQ I listened carefully to see how they would approach it and what they would say. My sister Camille had told me I should go read it because it was beautiful but I hadn't. Here are 4 things I thought as I listened to the bishop read:

1-Of course, the Lord's plan is foiled with same sex marriages because no more children.
2- The church has had to deal with this in other countries already!
3- Civil law has no impact on God's moral laws!
4-Yes, we must fight to keep our religious freedom.


I read Lengthen Your Stride by Edward Kimball, his 2nd biography about SWK, from the library last month. Our high councilman had suggested it when he brought Nathan and Jesse Bird home teaching to my house in January'15. They never came last year and they haven't been back since.
 : )

In that behind the scenes book it shared how many efforts went into wording the revelation on the priesthood carefully and precisely. As I listened to the letter today I thought, this sounds just like revelation. It really is beautiful like Camille said.


I write a blog called: Adventurebill1


I posted a couple of weeks ago how devastated and betrayed I felt with this supreme court ruling on same sex marriage. And then last week we had fast and testimony meeting where it was not even mentioned. I was shocked. If I had born my testimony it would have been the main theme because it affected me so much.


I went to God about it in prayer and as I wrote in my journal last Sunday I realized I had been through all the steps of grieving/ mourning over the loss of that value/ standard in the US. At the end of it all I came to this as my 10th step in that week long process: APOLOGETIC – I am so sorry Heavenly Father, that the government of this promised land has betrayed you and your teachings.


Did I go through many stages to get there? You better believe it! Did I know where I would end up? Nope. I didn't have a clue. That was a very very surprising conclusion for me. Satan really is the God of this earth isn't he?


But his power/godship is temporary. This is the only place in the universe where he is allowed to reign and only for a limited time so that the purposes of testing can be fulfilled.


Duane and Pam Derfler were our sacrament meeting speakers today. I told each of them that they were thoughtful, scholarly and entertaining!


They really were. Dwayne/Duane+ is the executive secretary for the bishop and a more humble man I don't think I know. He turned 70 in April and their topic was the resurrection. He quoted BKP saying that the only difference between a young man and an old man is his age.


But he disagreed. He was 121lbs wet when he got married in Saint George 47 years ago. It was raining that day.
He was not stooped.
He has gone to pot. (he stepped to the side and showed everyone. He said you can't use visual aids in sacrament meeting talks so he would be his own visual aid being 70 and all.)


He hiked from one rim to the other when young but now he is lucky to make it up 2 flights of stairs at the library.
[His dry wit was evidenced all through his talk. 3:23pm vj





Wednesday, July 8, 2015

Premortal life

Wednesday, 7/8/15 Hello again Brandon! Welcome to a new day. I sent JpaulJensen'67, my Fresno cousin, born again christian, two emails yesterday. We have an on going conversation about the gospel of Jesus Christ. What follows is his comments, my responses and a general conference talk by DBH.

grand plan c

Junius Jensen

Jul 6 (2 days ago)
to me
After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. (Rom 15:7) So if
He was seen by all the apostles except Paul and then Paul last. That tells me there are no
 living apostles today, none after Paul. (as by one born out of due time. Rom 15:8)
 Looks to me that seeing Jesus personally is one requirement for apostleship. This
 may be semantics. Not a big deal.


Regarding prior spiritual existence, I can't reconcile that with:

1 Cor. 15:45-49. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. (verse 46).

Zech 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation
 of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

God knew we would be, Acts 15:18. "Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world"
However in Genesis 2:7 it states, "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed 
into his nostrils the breath of life;
 and man became a living soul."

This is worthy of our attention. Let discuss this.

vern jensen phonev6@gmail.com

4:16 PM (16 hours ago)
to Junius
There were two creations.

first spiritual

second physical  all of us and even the earth

We die spiritually when born physically. Spiritually alive means seeing, hearing being in the presence of our Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. We had a veil drawn over our minds
 at birth or shortly thereafter. We no longer see God.
 But through prayer in this life we begin a spiritual rebirth and we start to communicate with him/them again.

But just like we will be resurrected, body and spirit reunited and then live forever, only a few will merit eternal life which means life in God's presence.

After part 3 of our existence in spirit paradise or prison, then comes the final judgement and we will go to

Celestial Kingdom with the Father which glory is like the sun.

Terestrial Kingdom with the Son which glory is like the moon.

Telestial Kingdom with the Holy Ghost which glory is like the stars.  There are different degrees of glory just like the stars differ in glory.

All the above come from our righteousness in the premortal existence (1) and then again in this mortal existence (2)

Satan and his 40 billion followers do not inherit bodies. And receive no degree of glory. And then there are the Sons of Perdition: like Cain and Judas etc.
 These kept their first estate and followed Christ (spirit world/ premortal existence) but then deny the Holy Ghost after he has witnessed to them in this life.
 But this will not be you and I. The denial is after they have a stronger testimony than seeing Christ personally. It is a more sure witness of JC. And then rebelling against God and fighting against Him.


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p- Regarding prior spiritual existence, I can't reconcile that with:

1 Cor. 15:45-49. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. (verse 46).
 v-Once born we only know our physical bodies, we eventually learn to accept our spiritual bodies inside our physical.
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JEREMIAH

An Old Testament prophet who was born to a priestly family and prophesied in Judah from 626–586 B.C. He lived near
 the time of other great prophets: Lehi, Ezekiel, Hosea, and Daniel.
Jeremiah was ordained to be a
 prophet in the premortal life (Jer. 1:4–5). During his approximately forty years as prophet he taught against idolatry 
and immorality among the Jewish people (Jer. 3:1–57:8–10). He had to face continuous opposition and 
insult (Jer. 20:236:18–1938:4). After the fall of Jerusalem, the Jews who escaped into Egypt took Jeremiah with 
them (Jer. 43:5–6), where, according to tradition, they stoned him to death.
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Veil

  • The Guide to the Scriptures
...) a divider separating areas of the tabernacle or temple, (2) a symbol for a separation between God and man, (3) a thin cloth worn by people to cover their face or head, or (4) a God-given forgetfulness that blocks people’s memories of the premortal existence. 

Jeremiah

  • The Guide to the Scriptures
The book of Jeremiah also includes an acknowledgment of man’s premortal existence 

John, Son of Zebedee

  • The Guide to the Scriptures
...is the Christ or Messiah, and (2) Jesus is the Son of God (John 20:31). The scenes from Jesus’ life that he describes are carefully selected and arranged with this object in view. The book begins with a statement of Christ’s status in the premortal existence 

Jesus Christ

  • The Guide to the Scriptures
Premortal existence of ChristThe Lord appeared unto Abram, Gen. 12:7 (Gen. 17:1; Gen. 18:1; Abr. 2:6–8).The Lord spoke unto Moses face to face, Ex. 33:11 (Deut. 34:10; Moses 1:1–2).I saw the Lord standing... 

Lucifer

  • The Guide to the Scriptures
Lucifer fell in the premortal existence, Isa. 14:12 (Luke 10:18; 2 Ne. 24:12).After his fall he became Satan and the devil, D&C 76:25–29 (Moses 4:1–4). 

Premortal Life

  • The Guide to the Scriptures
The life before earth life. All men and women lived with God as his spirit children before coming to the earth as mortal beings. This is sometimes called the first estate (Abr. 3:26).

v-I chose this talk by DBH (below) because it had some good Bible scriptures in it. I have one I like even more given by Boyd K Packer in 1983.  One of the most enjoyable things I love about General Conference every 6 months is that some of the apostles invariably talk and remind me about our premortal existence.  Paul, if you look at your wife and children they each have different spirits, personalities. Before my kids were born I thought I could make them all the same. Nope, they have talents, propensities and understandings developed in the pre existence/ spirit world. Some of them are way more gifted and talented than I am. But we are all unique and loved and valued by HFather.

Temples and Work Therein

David B. Haight
Of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles 1990

Temples are the most sacred places of worship on earth where sacred ordinances are performed—ordinances which pertain to salvation and exaltation in the kingdom of God. Each one is literally a house of the Lord—a place where He and His spirit may dwell, where He may come or send others to confer priesthood blessings and to give revelation to His people.
Temples built especially to the Lord have been erected in all ages. Moses built a tabernacle in the wilderness for the children of Israel. Solomon built a magnificent temple in Jerusalem. The Nephites built sacred temples.Joseph Smith built houses of the Lord in Kirtland and Nauvoo, and succeeding prophets have built temples throughout the world. These have all been initiated and built under the direction and revelation of God.
Without revelation, temples can neither be built nor properly used. They are one of the evidences of the divinity of our Lord’s true gospel. In our day, the Lord has said: “How shall your washings be acceptable unto me, except ye perform them in a house which you have built to my name? … that … ordinances might be revealed which had been hid from … the world.” (D&C 124:37–38.)
Latter-day Saints should be eternally grateful for the revealed knowledge given anciently but reaffirmed in even greater plainness in our dispensation, and which was known by our Lord’s Apostle, Peter, when he prophesied that before the second coming of Christ there would be a “restitution of all things” spoken of by God. (See Acts 3:21; see also D&C 121:26–32.) One of these restored doctrines, premortality or preexistence, should give us a greater appreciation for ourselves and the work assigned us, for each one of us existed as a spirit entity before we were born on this earth.
Most of us have wondered about what occurred in the premortal world and how it relates to our existence here. We should be acquainted with the truth that knowledge of the premortal life was restored that we might fulfill our responsibilities as children of God.
The Lord has revealed that a grand council was held in that pre-earth world where we exercised our agency regarding the plans presented. The major proposition in the accepted plan of salvation provided for an earth life where each person could work out his eternal salvation.
John A. Widtsoe provides insight to an earth-life responsibility made in that premortal world which is of great importance. He highlights a contractual agreement we made concerning the eternal welfare of all of the sons and daughters of the Eternal Father:
“In our preexistent state, in the day of the great council, we made a[n] … agreement with the Almighty. The Lord proposed a plan. … We accepted it. Since the plan is intended for all men, we became parties to the salvation of every person under that plan. We agreed, right then and there, to be not only saviors for ourselves but … saviors for the whole human family. We went into a partnership with the Lord. The working out of the plan became then not merely the Father’s work, and the Savior’s work, but also our work. The least of us, the humblest, is in partnership with the Almighty in achieving the purpose of the eternal plan of salvation.”
Elder Widtsoe continues:
“That places us in a very responsible attitude towards the human race. By that doctrine, with the Lord at the head, we become saviors on Mount Zion, all committed to the great plan of offering salvation to the untold numbers of spirits. To do this is the Lord’s self-imposed duty, this great labor his highest glory. Likewise, it is man’s duty, self-imposed, his pleasure and joy, his labor, and ultimately his glory.” (“The Worth of Souls,”The Utah Genealogical and Historical Magazine, Oct. 1934, p. 189.)
Latter-day Saints are a chosen people, so appointed in the premortal world, to be in partnership with the Lord for the salvation of the living and the dead. The First Presidency has announced that one of the major responsibilities of the Church, and therefore of its members, is to redeem the dead.
We learn by revelation from the Prophet Joseph Smith that “these … principles in relation to the dead and the living … cannot be lightly passed over, as pertaining to our salvation. For their salvation is necessary and essential to our salvation. …
“For we without them cannot be made perfect; neither can they without us be made perfect.” (D&C 128:15, 18; see also Heb. 11:39–40.)
It would be difficult for one to find stronger language on a requirement to receive exaltation in the celestial kingdom.
Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery had received the Melchizedek Priesthood under the hands of Peter, James, and John; however, it was necessary for the prophet Elijah to restore special keys, “in order that all the ordinances may be attended to in righteousness.” (History of the Church, 4:211.) Thus, the sealing powers and ordinances necessary for the dead as well as the living were to be restored. This was accomplished by Elijah’s visit to Joseph and Oliver on April 3, 1836, in the Kirtland Temple.
Elijah’s mission was to “turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers.” (Mal. 4:6.) The turning of the hearts of the fathers in the spirit world to the children on earth provides for the gathering of ancestral data of their deceased fathers in order that ordinances might be performed in the temples of the Lord. Thus, the living having their hearts turned to their fathers is in accordance with the premortal agreement we made before the earth was formed.
Elijah’s visit to the Kirtland Temple is attested by several truths.
First, no one else has claimed that the prophecy regarding Elijah’s coming in the last days has been fulfilled.
Second, the testimony of Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery stands unassailable—they could not turn the hearts of the children to the fathers except by the power sent by God.
Third, neither did they have the power to persuade millions of people to turn their attention to their deceased fathers. Remarkable indeed is the fact that organized efforts to gather genealogical information began after Elijah came in 1836. In America, the New England Historical and Genealogical Society was organized in 1844, and the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society in 1869, for the purpose of gathering genealogy. What is known as the “Spirit of Elijah” has influenced nonmembers as well as members of the Church in this vital activity. The microfilming of thousands of records is continuing on a large scale throughout the world. (See Joseph Fielding Smith,Doctrines of Salvation, comp. Bruce R. McConkie, Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1954–56, 2:122–28.)
The Jewish people have looked forward to the return to the earth of Elijah as promised by Malachi. Each year in the spring the Paschal feast is observed in many Jewish homes, at which time a door is opened so that Elijah might come in and sit at the feast.
“It was … on the third day of April, 1836,” said President Joseph Fielding Smith, “that the [Jewish people], in their homes at the Paschal feast, opened their doors for Elijah to enter. [However,] on that very day Elijah did enter—not in the home of the Jews to partake of the Passover with them, but he appeared in the House of the Lord … in Kirtland, and there bestowed his keys.” (In Conference Report, Apr. 1936, p. 75.)
The Prophet Joseph said the main object of the gathering of the Jews, or the people of God in any age of the world “was to build unto the Lord a house whereby He could reveal unto His people the ordinances of His house and the glories of His kingdom, and teach the people the way of salvation.” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 307–8.)
Bible prophecies indicate that in the last dispensation of the gospel, there would be a restoration of all of the principles and practices of former dispensations, which includes temple-building and the performing of ordinances therein. (See Isa. 2:2–3Micah 4:1–2Acts 3:19–21Eph. 1:9–10.)
A latter-day Apostle wrote: “The history of Temples teaches us that the people of God have been strong, or weak, in proportion to the faithfulness with which they have attended to their sanctuaries.” (Hyrum M. Smith and Janne M. Sjodahl, Doctrine and CovenantsCommentary, Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1951, p. 612.)
We would do well to follow the example of our beloved prophet, President Ezra Taft Benson. He and his sweet companion, Flora, have set aside time each Friday to regularly attend the house of the Lord, and they would join with me here this morning in declaring that members of the Church who absent themselves from temple attendance, where it is possible for them to attend, are denying themselves rich blessings.
“There is a law, irrevocably decreed in heaven before the foundations of this world, upon which all blessings are predicated—
“And when we obtain any blessing from God, it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated.” (D&C 130:20–21.)
“Whatever principle of intelligence we attain unto in this life, it will rise with us in the resurrection.
“And if a person gains more knowledge and intelligence in this life through his diligence and obedience than another, he will have so much the advantage in the world to come.” (D&C 130:18–19.)
With these two scriptures in mind, I exhort all members for a renewed commitment in strengthening their faith and progression to exaltation in the celestial kingdom—
First, by fulfilling our responsibility to our dead.
The Prophet Joseph said, “The greatest responsibility in this world that God has laid upon us, is to seek after our dead.” (Times and Seasons, 5:616.)
I am indebted to my kindred dead who made it possible for me to live in this dispensation and to have the privilege of being a member of the “only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth.” (D&C 1:30.)
Our opportunities are twofold: to do genealogical research and to perform temple work. There may be a time when we may not be able to do the research required, but this should not deter us from receiving the blessings of temple attendance. With forty-four functioning temples located in various parts of the world, the privilege of participating in temple activity is becoming more and more available. Should you or I neglect either of these responsibilities?
Second, by being “endowed with power from on high.” (D&C 38:32.)
The environment in the temple is intended to provide the worthy member of the Church with the power of enlightenment, of testimony, and of understanding. The temple endowment gives knowledge that, when acted upon, provides strength and conviction of truth.
Third, by finding a place of refuge and peace. (See D&C 124:36.)
The moment we step into the house of the Lord, the atmosphere changes from the worldly to the heavenly, where respite from the normal activities of life is found, and where peace of mind and spirit is received. It is a refuge from the ills of life and a protection from the temptations that are contrary to our spiritual well-being. We are told that “he who doeth the works of righteousness shall receive his reward, even peace in this world, and eternal life in the world to come.” (D&C 59:23.)
Fourth, by receiving revelation.
John A. Widtsoe wrote: “I believe that the busy person on the farm, in the shop, in the office, or in the household, who has his worries and troubles, can solve his problems better and more quickly in the house of the Lord than anywhere else. If he will … [do] the temple work for himself and for his dead, he will confer a mighty blessing upon those who have gone before, and … a blessing will come to him, for at the most unexpected moments, in or out of the temple will come to him, as a revelation, the solution of the problems that vex his life. That is the gift that comes to those who enter the temple properly.” (“Temple Worship,” The Utah Genealogical and Historical Magazine, Apr. 1921, pp. 63–64.)
Revelation also comes in receiving greater understanding of the endowment as one seeks to comprehend its meaning.
Fifth, by giving genealogical and temple service.
The Prophet Joseph Smith wrote, “Those Saints who neglect it in behalf of their deceased relatives, do it at the peril of their own salvation.” (History of the Church,4:426.)
Sixth, by becoming saviors on Mount Zion.
The Prophet Joseph wrote: “But how are they to become saviors on Mount Zion? By building their temples, … and receiving all the ordinances, … ordinations and sealing powers upon their [own] heads, [and] in behalf of all their progenitors who are dead, and redeem them that they may come forth in the first resurrection and be exalted to thrones of glory with them; and herein is the chain that binds the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the children to the fathers, which fulfills the mission of Elijah.” (History of the Church, 6:184.)
And seventh, by qualifying to see and understand God in the house of the Lord.
At Kirtland, the Lord revealed to the Prophet Joseph:
“And inasmuch as my people build a house unto me in the name of the Lord, and do not suffer any unclean thing to come into it, that it be not defiled, my glory shall rest upon it;
“… and my presence shall be there, for I will come into it, and all the pure in heart that shall come into it shall see God.” (D&C 97:15–16.)
It is true that some have actually seen the Savior, but when one consults the dictionary, he learns that there are many other meanings of the word see, such as coming to know Him, discerning Him, recognizing Him and His work, perceiving His importance, or coming to understand Him.
Such heavenly enlightenment and blessings are available to each of us.
God our Father lives, as does His son, Jesus the Christ, our Savior and Redeemer. I am a grateful recipient of His healing power and love. This is His work. I so testify in His holy name, amen.
bps, here is the second email I sent coz Paul:two fun questions to the question asker!vern jensen <phonev6@gmail.com>3:17 PM (18 hours ago)to Junius 1- How many of the original twelve were replaced? to the best of your knowledge. @2- How or when did Paul see Jesus? @Junius Jensen @1:00 AM (8 hours ago) @to me @Lots were cast to replace Judas. So only one that I'm aware of. @On the road to persecute the new church in Damascus. Did I spell this right? I'm guessing it happened in Acts around chapters 5-8. @So how did I do? @ Hey Brandon, there are a couple of good questions for you to grade. How did he do? GBY-BLTPJS-VJ